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Depression of 1893-1897
Feb 16th, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
How can one explain this depression in a time of mostly Laissez-faire markets?
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Re: Depression of 1893-1897
Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 9:02pm
 
Depends on what you mean by mostly.

I don't know all the issues of that time. Could it have been a part of the business cycle? There is nothing wrong with a period that shakes out weak competitors and failing businesses. That frees up resources for new inventions.

Today there is a large tax burden and government intervention in regulations, Fed policy and fiscal spending at the federal and state level. The government is crowding out others by borrowing huge sums of available investment money.
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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 10:59pm
 
There was a great deal more economic freedom during that time than there is today, to be sure. However, even 'mostly' laissez-faire markets are still not true laissez-faire markets. Government intervention and monetary expansion will always cause an eventual depression, even if those interventions are small by today's standards. Another thing to note is that even though government distorts the market much more now than in earlier periods, you could say that they have gotten much better at building houses of cards.

During the 19th century, banks and the government were limited in their monetary expansion by being backed with gold and silver. However, during that period (1865–1912), banks were not limited to holding 100% reserves. Banks only had to maintain 25% reserves (for every $1 loaned, the bank had to have $.25 worth of gold/silver). This allowed monetary expansion, which caused a boom (similar to today's housing boom & bust) especially in the railroad industry. Eventually, every monetary expansion has to end, and in 1893, that period's expansion did. Before the Federal Reserve banking system, each individual bank had it's own level of reserves (with a minimum of 25%). There was a national currency at the time, but that didn't help. If a bank fails, it takes all of the fiat money it created with it. Imagine you had a $100 bank note. You know that if your bank goes bankrupt, you will be left with nothing but a worthless piece of paper. So, upon hearing news of a bank run, you would head to your bank as quickly as possible to redeem this note in order to not be left with nothing. Because your bank doesn't have enough specie (gold/silver) to pay its depositors with, it fails. Whoever didn't get to the bank in time was left with nothing. If, however, you had a note that was not issued by your bank (a national currency note), you could take this to any participating bank (or the treasury) and get your gold. However, once one bank has failed, you would likely become worried of continued bank failures, which would leave you with a worthless note if they all failed (or suspended payments, as they often did). So, as both you and others demand payment in specie for the paper notes you hold, more banks fail (because they only keep 25% reserves). This all leads to a domino effect, which can take out all but the most financially responsible banks. Of course, if the banks had 100% reserves as they should have, there would never have been a problem.

In a fractional reserve system, when a bank goes bust, all of the fiat money that was created by that bank is no longer worth anything, causing monetary contraction. The more banks fail, the more monetary contraction, which of course leads to more bank failures, and the cycle continues. Once started, monetary contraction makes loans more expensive (due to money being more scare), which causes business activities that were profitable at a lower interest rate to be no longer profitable.

For example, let's say I'm building a railroad. The bank offers me a loan at 5%, and I figure that I can build this line, pay for maintenance and labor, etc, and end up with, say, that 5% I will need to pay and 2% profit. Well, if banks fail, and loan costs rise to say 8%, I would no longer be able to make a profit by building this particular line. In order to minimize my losses, I would need to reallocate all of the resources that were put in to this project, which would of course probably lead to lay-offs, etc. As painful as that sounds, those resources need to be put to a better use that will generate a profit, in order to be sustainable and provide long term economic growth.

So, the cycle goes: first the monetary contraction, leading to bank failures, leading to unemployment and a recession.
This is a very basic over-simplification of what happens, but I'm not an economist so it'll have to do.  Cheesy

Here's a quick rundown of Austrian Business Cycle Theory, which explains what happens in more detail: http://mises.org/daily/672
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Re: Depression of 1893-1897
Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 11:04pm
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893

The result of this apears to be overbuilding of the railroad industry in turn causing banks to shut down [a result of the boom bust cycle]. The government  borrowed money from JP Morgan to help pay for their debt as they lost their gold reserves.
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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 11:44pm
 
We've never, by defenition of laissez faire economics, had it in America, or anywhere for that matter.

Laissez faire economics = Government keeps it's hands off the economy, but protects us from force.

Slavery = Employment of force.

America's government protected slavery, the employment of force, since this country began. By the time slavery was abolished, we were still very much an economically controlled country. Not that any country was any better

But anyways. You asked about laissez faire economics and how to explain the depression. Look, businesses are going to fail, and economic recessions will occur, no matter what "ism" you try to institute. The freedom to err is fundamental to all freedoms, freedom is not worth having it does not constitute the freedom to err.
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 2:00am
 
RE: Full reserve banking.

How would it work? A bank won't be able to lend out any of its deposits? So there would be no interest on savings? So there is no incentive to save, except for your own investments?
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Re: Depression of 1893-1897
Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 4:17pm
 
meric wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 2:00am:
RE: Full reserve banking.

How would it work? A bank won't be able to lend out any of its deposits? So there would be no interest on savings? So there is no incentive to save, except for your own investments?


Currently, banks use a fractional reserve system, meaning that they keep only 10% of their deposits in the bank.

Here are some examples of full reserve banking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-reserve_banking#Current_examples
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