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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #10 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
Because it is difficult to split of sections of water, since water flows. Even if you own a section of water with borderlines, what happens to that water can affect the property of others, meaning that certain things would still not be free to do, or at least, the things done would have to be completely fixed by the perpetrator.
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Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 10:46pm
 
You're not really owning the water physically, rather, you're responsible for a certain coordination. The same way that real property works in the United States.

When you own property, it's not as if you own just the soil and the house. There's a saying: "He who owns it owns it to the heavens". You own everything above and below the metes and bounds. That includes air. Air flows as well, and emit an objective pollutant on your own property, and it flows to another, then you are responsible for the other persons losses.

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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #12 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:18am
 
Richard Enderle wrote on Jun 14th, 2010 at 10:46pm:
You're not really owning the water physically, rather, you're responsible for a certain coordination. The same way that real property works in the United States.

When you own property, it's not as if you own just the soil and the house. There's a saying: "He who owns it owns it to the heavens". You own everything above and below the metes and bounds. That includes air. Air flows as well, and emit an objective pollutant on your own property, and it flows to another, then you are responsible for the other persons losses.



What happens if an oil drilling causes more damage than its ability to compensate its neighbours? e.g oil on beach causes $20 billion loss in tourism income but the company is only worth $5 billion?
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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #13 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
meric wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:18am:
What happens if an oil drilling causes more damage than its ability to compensate its neighbours? e.g oil on beach causes $20 billion loss in tourism income but the company is only worth $5 billion?


Why would large companies risk their billions. I can see where very small companies will be the only ones that will take the risk. Less to lose.
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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #14 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:23pm
 
Land of Freedom wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:05pm:
Why would large companies risk their billions. I can see where very small companies will be the only ones that will take the risk. Less to lose.

Okay, lets say there's a newly IPO'ed company is worth only 4 million dollars. It has 4 million cash and borrows another 6 million dollars. With its 10 million dollars it drills the oil well and fails and causes $5 billion of damage. What then?
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Reply #15 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:54pm
 
meric wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:23pm:
Okay, lets say there's a newly IPO'ed company is worth only 4 million dollars. It has 4 million cash and borrows another 6 million dollars. With its 10 million dollars it drills the oil well and fails and causes $5 billion of damage. What then?


If they succeeded they would have made many times their 4 million. But if they crash and burn and cause 5 billion damage they only lose a small amount and everyone else loses. You can see why that may be the future.

Not in the case of BP (they are at fault) but large companies are fat targets of governments and other leeches.
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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #16 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:40am
 
Land of Freedom wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:54pm:
If they succeeded they would have made many times their 4 million. But if they crash and burn and cause 5 billion damage they only lose a small amount and everyone else loses. You can see why that may be the future.

Not in the case of BP (they are at fault) but large companies are fat targets of governments and other leeches.


So what would be done about small companies taking risks like that, in an 'ideal libertarian society' where rights to bodies of water are sold off?
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Reply #17 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:23pm
 
meric wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:40am:
So what would be done about small companies taking risks like that, in an 'ideal libertarian society' where rights to bodies of water are sold off?


Selling rights to bodies of water is different from Libertarian position where people would own the body of water. The owners of the water would decide who could drill because it's their water and oil.

Again it's the government that causes the problems where libertarian solutions solve problems.
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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #18 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 10:55pm
 
Land of Freedom wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:23pm:
Selling rights to bodies of water is different from Libertarian position where people would own the body of water. The owners of the water would decide who could drill because it's their water and oil.

Again it's the government that causes the problems where libertarian solutions solve problems.


:/ "The owners of the water would decide who could drill because it's their water and oil. " So the $10 million owns the body of water and oil, drills it and causes damage to adjacent bodies of water. What now?
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Re: Is there a libertarian answer to the BP oil spill?
Reply #19 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 3:49pm
 
It would be worth much more than 10 million. More than likely the land around the water would be the same owners. They would care most about the potential damage to their land and would act fast to protect it unlike the slow government response.
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