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Reply #20 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:43pm
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Paulie Girl wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 12:35pm:
Aw, I am a minority. Christian Libertarian here.
Ron Paul, Napolitano, and Tom Woods are all part of our minority.

I'm also sure that there are more (higher percentage of) Christians among libertarians than among Marxists, for example. Socialists in general like to bash religion more than anyone else.
  

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Reply #21 - Feb 26th, 2013 at 5:55pm
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Awesome wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:43pm:
Ron Paul, Napolitano, and Tom Woods are all part of our minority.


I haven't heard of Tom Woods. I am Googling him now. Thanks!
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 4:09am
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In Australia we have an unmarried (though not single) female Atheist prime minister. Im rather happy about that - except for the fact she is completely useless. But Im happy that in Australia religion doesn't seem to be such a big thing.

For me I'm an agnostic if your broaden your definition of what God is. But if the definition of God is the tribal Abrahamic deity of the Jews and Muslims id be an atheist. Same with the semi Trithestic Christian deity.

To me though liberal or libertarian people of faith don't really bother me. Gnostics, Sufi Muslims and liberal Episcopalians and such forth. If you don't want Government dictating homosexual marriage, passing judgement & laws against homosexual acts then your not really harming any body are you? And lets face it modern day Christianity has worked out a pretty good workaround of mosiac law barbarism by adding Greek Philosophy to their faith. Salvation by Grace and what not. I don't mind Greek philosophy.

I think free market and free information transfer has been the best thing for Atheists/Agnostics like myself. With the advent of the internet its great to speek with like minded people, watch the Catholic Church become exposed by abused people contacting each other over the net. I also enjoy attaining easy access to information outside of what religion would prefer you to have. Such as access to the biography of the life of Mohummed, and read Biblical scholarly of the New Testament. I had a great time at the Atheist convention in Melbourne last year. But with such information transfer people are at liberty to decide what they want to believe and are informing them selves. Just 10 years ago there wasn't an "atheist" section in the book store - now there is. Its becoming a more prevalent force in secular Australia and I have the Liberterian ideals of 3rd way to thank for that.

Like wise I don't want Government to intervene in preventing Evangelicals and Muslims to home school their kids with Biblical and Quranic untruths. That being said I do feel they are doing their children a disservice - but thats personal opinion. I hope their children don't wish to pursue a career in science.

In terms of "time not being proven"... I think you will discover Einstein made a pretty good go at its abstraction. Time is property of matter. It isn't constant but varies depending on how fast an object goes and various other factors. Your argument isn't valid because nothing can really be proven with perhaps the exception of pure maths. Is light real? Has it been proven? Everything is a modeled abstraction of reality & thus can't be proven. In my view such abstractions are far superior then the writings of a bunch of Hebrew peasants.

In regards to adaption only occurring within a species. We need to get our definitions correct. If you define a species as "two individuals whom reproduce can produce viable offspring with one another" - then I can tell you in various species of fruit fly we have in a human life time seen a species speciate. Form two populations different from one another.

But things arn't often that clear cut - there are thousands of populations of sea gulls over the coast of Australia. Near populations can produce viable offspring with one another but the further away populations of sea gulls become from one another there is fuzzy area in which they can some time produce offspring between populations of which some times is viable. Populations extremely far away from each other are completely speciated. The whole tied of speciation is occurring in gradient like way.

To be a creationist - one has to be an essentialist. Meaning all species are essentially different from one another. Essentialist ideas lead to the Latin Binomial classification of species eg homo sapien. In nature often this isn't the case - speciation is happening infront of us & its slow process is making a mockery of essentailism. How could you possibly assign Latin Bionomials to populations of sea gulls that are kinda of the same as there neighboring populations but not - there is no essential cut off. Each populations shares varying degrees of grayness in terms of speciation with other populations.

And let me ask you this - if you really think Evolution is just a "theory" do you think gravity is just a theory and general relativity and magnetism are just theories? The definition of scientific theory is different to the term used in every day language.

And finally name me ONE academic who refutes evolution and sees some merit in creationist biblical/quaranic myth of whom ISN'T a monotheist. There isn't one - because beliefs guide & create creationism. Without monotheism there would be no creationism.

On that note - let democracy and liberty live on.  Smiley Peace.
  

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Reply #23 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 12:40pm
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There are plenty of Christians whose attitudes are "live and let live"... I think. I don't see why that should be incompatible.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 2nd, 2013 at 4:43am
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Paulie Girl: This is how I think a live and let live Christian can be compatible with Libertarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC-9uJrotC4

By using the principles of Libertarianism as their moral guide - what do you think?
  

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