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Reply #30 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 9:44pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 4:09pm:
Like wives submit to your husbands?

I'm not religious but what's wrong with that?
  

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Reply #31 - Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:22pm
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I see the submission aspect more like a social norm that was learned - regardless of religion.  I imagine cavemen clubbed women over the head long before the thought of a higher power was ever developed.  Men having more power in a relationship isn't mutually exclusive to couples with religious beliefs.
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 8:17am
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The Bible doesn't command men to submit to their wives.  There is no reason that a particular gender should have authority over the other one in a marriage relationship.  Notice that women aren't, generally, expected to promise to obey their husbands in marriage ceremonies anymore.  No doubt that had to do with the gender equality that has been gained, and isn't equality a Libertarian ideal?
  
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Reply #33 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 8:27am
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Chris, I doubt most cavemen actually clubbed women over the head.  I wonder where that idea got started.  Anyway, in romantic relationships men aren't just automatically the ones in control.  In some its men, in some its women, and in others power is equally shared.  These dynamics all work out fine so long as no one is overbearing.
  
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Reply #34 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 12:24pm
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Bourgeois does NOT support equality.  Grin Just saying.

But yes, I agree with you Ruby, there's plenty of relationships where women are in charge or men are in charge or it's somewhat equal. Though from the relationships I have viewed (and been in) the women are generally in charge. That may not be the case from how it initially looks but generally women seem to have methods to run the show and get their man to do something they desire from them. Women generally seem to be more psychologically adept than men, they can subconsciously get you to do stuff. Of course, this is a generalization and there are also men who can do similar things.
  
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Reply #35 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 1:06pm
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I agree with you Liberalterian & Ruby. I don't believe it's always one sided. I'm a very strong minded individual, however, my wife runs parts of the relationship while I run others. I'd say it's mutually equal as both have strong traits that are beneficial to one another. There are just somethings I can't do that she is far better at than I am and vice versa.

When we step into this realm of theory/reality, I believe it comes down to the actual individual. Some people (Trying to keep this far from generalization as possible) want to be in total and complete control. In some relationships, this is healthy because the other side is generally not as strong and needs the stronger companion to fill that void. I'd only say men have been the predominate factor in this because it's been predominately men who've run this country. As we progress forward, we'll begin to see the dynamics change. Whether it stays the same or we see females begin to take on that power trip (IE: Pelosi & Feinstein), remains to be seen.

In the end, I believe there needs to be a balance that is beneficial to the relationship as a whole. If it needs to be one sided, so be it. As long as both sides agree to that style of relationship, I generally don't see the wrong doing in it. Unless it makes a forced type scenario, where one side is being forced to accept another's rules, then I have to disagree with it.
  
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Re: Religion and Personal Freedom
Reply #36 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 1:15pm
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Hey Ruby. Just wanted to say, I support a considerable lot more equality between genders than 1950s sterotypes. But I'm curious to hear your opinion on one of my non-negotiable viewpoints.

For example, my girlfriend of 8 years wants to get married. I don't believe in state-defined or regulated marriage, but I'm willing to compromise. If she proposes, and I like her proposal, I might put aside that principal to make her happy. But I will never propose to her, because I see it as sexist to assume that is the man's role. Neither one of us is young, so if her ultimate goal is a relationship status, rather than the relationship itself, the clock is ticking LOL
  
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Reply #37 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 2:47pm
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My views on marriage have certainly evolved since I stopped being a religious person. I say be with the one you want to be with. No magic happens when a state or religion sanctions a romantic relationship. And along that same line, children should never be called, "bastards," or, "illegitimate."
  
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Reply #38 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 3:29pm
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Women have half the money and all the vagina. Therefore, women are in control of all relationships.
  

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Reply #39 - Feb 25th, 2013 at 4:47pm
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I'm not buying that women manipulate their husbands into doing what they want.  Ever hear of selective hearing?  I talk about getting some stuff done around the house, and suddenly my husband is deaf.
  
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