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Re: The Draft
Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 9:07am
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The Free Man wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:42pm:
And it is the women who encourages their sons and husbands to join the military for the past millenias.


Oh, the women do that, huh?  Maybe you don't quite get the differences between men and women, but women generally haven't been nearly into promoting wars as men have.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 11:07am
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Bourgeois wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:12pm:
Also, in theory, doesn't the 10th amendment leave such a decision (of drafting) to the states? Or am I wrong about that?


Only related to the "miltias" as the US Army and Navy (including the Marines that are actually a component of the Navy) is a federal responsibility based upon Article I Section 8. How the Congress provides for the manpower needs of the Army and Navy is undefined in the US Constitution and as the draft is not prohibited by the Constitution it is logical that it could be employed.

Where I have a problem is that Article I Section 8, in granting taxing authority, states that the purpose of taxation is to provide for the "common Defence.... of the the United States" and the use of the US military in foreign interventionism to spread pax-Americana has nothing to do with defending the United States from attacks or invasions. 
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:56pm
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Ruby's misandry should be enough to get her banned from this site.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 5:09pm
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Ruby's misandry should be enough to get her banned from this site.

Misandry and feminism are progressive and you love progressivism, so you should love it, you anti-tradition socialist!
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2013 at 10:26pm
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Misandry, that's funny.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:42am
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Not funny if it's true.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:26am
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Shocked OH GAWD WHAT HAVE I STARTED????
  
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Re: The Draft
Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:57am
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There's no misandry here.  Pointing out that war is predominantly a male thing isn't misandry.
  
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Re: The Draft
Reply #18 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:04am
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Shiva_TD wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 11:07am:
How the Congress provides for the manpower needs of the Army and Navy is undefined in the US Constitution

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Article I Section 8, in granting taxing authority, states that the purpose of taxation is to provide for the "common Defence.... of the the United States" 

That second part is right, which debunks the first part.

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as the draft is not prohibited by the Constitution it is logical that it could be employed.

Come on, Shiva, you know better than that. It goes the other way around. The government only has the constitutional power to employ what is granted in the Constitution; the ninth and tenth amendments make that very clear.
  

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Re: The Draft
Reply #19 - Feb 22nd, 2013 at 5:01pm
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For starters, I highly disagree with any form of draft. Military involvement should be 100% voluntary and should never be forced upon individuals.

More onto this thread, I don't believe that women push their boys into military. I was planning on joining the Navy as a 'Operations Specialist' (In other words, the person who stares at the radar all day and tells the captain if it's a friendly or enemy). My mom was disappointed & upset when I turned down the offer and decided not to go. If you want to say that is some form of coercion, maybe. I think it's more indirect involvement from the mother but it's nothing a son can't decide on their own and won't have consequences if they chose against their mothers wishes. While the mom might be upset, rightfully so, I don't think it's the mothers doing that pushes their kids into the military. Not saying this is always the case, I just don't believe mom's are the driving factor for it.

To Ruby's point, men are usually the ones to push for war. To be 'politically incorrect', more men in power push for war and send folks overseas to fight for their agenda, not freedom. However, I will say this, Michelle Bachmann, during the Republican primaries, did suggest war as well. Not quantifying her as a percentage against all of the other men in office that are pushing for war. I'm merely making a point that I'm not going to completely suggest that neither sex, that are in office, wants war more so than the other. I blame it on the military-industrial complex that funds the spending issue. Neither party wants to admit there is too much spending, they both have their own degrees of what spending is right, but neither party will say war is not an option.

Regardless to any of it, I think the draft is ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The government doesn't have a right to send you to war. To be perfectly honest, we're not even fighting a war. Congress hasn't approved us to go to war. Is it still 'OK' for the government to perform a draft without even declaring any form of war? I think it becomes an even bigger, resounding, NO when you think about the war of terror in that respect.
  
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