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Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:35pm
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Scholars have discovered a disturbing reason why cities like Detroit continue to reelect the same leadership despite decades of increasing poverty, crime, and corruption.

James Curley, a four-time mayor of Boston in the early 1900's, redistributed wealth to his poor Irish constituents and used incendiary rhetoric to drive richer citizens out of Boston, thereby shaping the electorate in his favor. As a consequence, Boston stagnated, but Curley kept winning elections.†

Recently a study found many situations conforming to the "Curley Effect,"† in which a political party drives its wealthy opponents out, sacrificing the well being of its constituents to ensure the reelection of its politicians.

Detroit is the most prominent example.† In his 20 years as mayor, Detroitís Coleman Young pursued policies that encouraged his wealthy, white political enemies to leave town, drastically increasing poverty, decreasing population by almost 50%, but gaining political advantage for himself.

A look at the ten poorest cities in America reveals just how dominant a political party can become despite (or because of) poverty:

Detroit, Michigan - Democrat since 1961
Buffalo, New York - Democrat since 1965
Cleveland, Ohio - Democrat since 1989
Miami, Florida - Democrat since 1896
Cincinnati, Ohio - Democrat since 1979
Milwaukee, Wisconsin - Democrat/Socialist since 1908
Newark, New Jersey - Democrat since 1907
St. Louis, Missouri - Democrat since 1949
Memphis, Tennessee - Democrat since 1826
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Democrat since 1951

http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/curley_effect_1.pdf
  

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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #1 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 12:31am
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And I don't see Detroit voting Libertarian anytime soon, or Republican.  The Dems in that city will call for the federal government to bail them out, and expect charges of racism for those who don't comply.
  
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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #2 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 2:51am
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Don't knock the Irish.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 7:15am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 12:31am:
And I don't see Detroit voting Libertarian anytime soon, or Republican.† The Dems in that city will call for the federal government to bail them out, and expect charges of racism for those who don't comply.


I agree.  But shaping the electorate for the benefit of the politician has become so commonplace, and is so detrimental to populace, that this phenomenom deserves more exposure.  I'm not sure if it would be constitutional to limit such practices, but remedies should be explored.
  

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Coopers wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 2:51am:
Don't knock the Irish.


All four of my grandparents are from Ireland.  And actually I'm perversely proud that it was an Irishman who thought up such a cunning scheme.  James Curley was corrupt as hell, but his constituents didn't care.  He was once reelected mayor while in prison.  He's still beloved in Boston, which put up two statues of him in Faneuil Hall.
  

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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #5 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 8:20am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 12:31am:
And I don't see Detroit voting Libertarian anytime soon, or Republican.†


No, they won't vote Republican anytime in the foreseeable future. The anti-minority/anti-poor political agenda of the Republican Party has driven all but a few blacks from it as we can tell from the last election.

The question is what can Libertarians bring to the table for them? We're all for equality of economic opportunity where everyone can compete fairly in a free market capitalistic economy but that doesn't work very well with racial discrimination that denies that equality. A person can't "lift themselves up from their bootstraps" with someone standing on their necks.

The problem of racial discrimination is a problem with our society that there isn't a government solution to but it is a serious problem when it comes to libertarian beliefs. If people can't compete with equality then free market capitalism really doesn't work.

I know that people don't like the problem of racism to be presented but it is so serious that only a fool refuses to address it. There is only one "race" and its the human race and as long as invidious criteria is being used to discriminate economically against people there is a serious problem that we must acknowledge and address if we're to be a viable political ideology. How do we end racial, religious, or ethnic prejudice in society remains the greatest challenge for any political ideology. Simply pretending it doesn't exist does not address the problem.

  
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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #6 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 9:00am
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Unbiased America wrote on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 7:28am:
All four of my grandparents are from Ireland.† And actually I'm perversely proud that it was an Irishman who thought up such a cunning scheme.† James Curley was corrupt as hell, but his constituents didn't care.† He was once reelected mayor while in prison.† He's still beloved in Boston, which put up two statues of him in Faneuil Hall.


A little political history on the Irish immigration to America in the late 1840's and early 1850's. "Americans WASP's" hated the Irish because they were predominately Catholics. Many did concentrate in the Boston area and eventually established local political power there but they were "unwelcome" because of their religious beliefs.

On the West Coast, about this same time, there was opposition to the immigration of the Chinese that came to America during the California gold rush. State laws in California later went so far as to deny citizenship to Chinese children born in that State that were natural born citizens of the United States which later lead to the Supreme Court decision in the United States v Kim Wong Ark.

By the 1920's the first US immigration laws targeted Eastern Europeans that were Catholics to limit their immigration and these were supported by the KKK at the height of it's political power.

Today our current immigration laws continue to target non-WASPs to prevent immigration and are based upon the same racial/religious prejudice that we see going back to the early opposition of the Irish immigration in the 1850's.

This is all simply to point out that Libertarians are the only group I'm aware of that oppose immigration restrictions seeking free and open immigration policies. In this we typically hold the same beliefs as Thomas Jefferson that the Right of Liberty of the Person includes the "Right of Expatriation" where the Person has a inalienable right to relocate from one nation to another at will.

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"I hold the right of expatriation to be inherent in every man by the laws of nature, and incapable of being rightfully taken from him even by the united will of every other person in the nation. If the laws have provided no particular mode by which the right of expatriation may be exercised, the individual may do it by any effectual and unequivocal act or declaration." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1806. FE 8:458

"Expatriation [is] a natural right, and acted on as such by all nations in all ages." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:12

"Our ancestors... possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as, to them, shall seem most likely to promote public happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:185, Papers 1:121


http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1280.htm

It is this non-prejudice of libertarian political philosophy that needs to be expanding to all of our thinking and we need to see the enemy which is the prejudice of others being propagated by both Democrats and Republicans alike.

Libertarian political ideology, that promotes equality in all matters of the person, is unquestionably the best solution but only if we can convert Republicans and Democrats to it if we're to help those in places like Detroit. The same prejudice we see in our immigration laws that violates the Rights of the† Person for those that would immigrate to America is also evident when we look at the blacks living in Detroit which denies them economic equality in America.

How can the people living in Detroit hope to resolve their economic plight when society in general stacks the deck against them? What can a political party or ideology do when most of society doesn't believe in it?†

As libertarians of all stripes have great ideals but unless we can address the problems in a pragmatic manner we seem helpless when it comes to specifics like the plight of the African-Americans that are stuck in Detroit and are even too poor to even move out of that city... and even if they could move where would they go where they wouldn't be oppressed in America?
  
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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #7 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 9:08am
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What can Libertarians do for blacks when those blacks think wealth redistribution is the answer?  And it isn't racism that's holding them back, it's irresponsible parenting and poor education.  I think attaching money for education to the student, and school choice would be a good idea.  No more teacher unions or public schools.  As for getting them to parent responsibly, I don't see how government can make that happen.  It's a shame that the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are too busy looking for racism to tackle this issue.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 10:03am
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Unbiased America wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 4:35pm:
Scholars have discovered a disturbing reason why cities like Detroit continue to reelect the same leadership despite decades of increasing poverty, crime, and corruption.

James Curley, a four-time mayor of Boston in the early 1900's, redistributed wealth to his poor Irish constituents and used incendiary rhetoric to drive richer citizens out of Boston, thereby shaping the electorate in his favor. As a consequence, Boston stagnated, but Curley kept winning elections.†

Recently a study found many situations conforming to the "Curley Effect,"† in which a political party drives its wealthy opponents out, sacrificing the well being of its constituents to ensure the reelection of its politicians.

Detroit is the most prominent example.† In his 20 years as mayor, Detroitís Coleman Young pursued policies that encouraged his wealthy, white political enemies to leave town, drastically increasing poverty, decreasing population by almost 50%, but gaining political advantage for himself.

A look at the ten poorest cities in America reveals just how dominant a political party can become despite (or because of) poverty:

Detroit, Michigan - Democrat since 1961
Buffalo, New York - Democrat since 1965
Cleveland, Ohio - Democrat since 1989
Miami, Florida - Democrat since 1896
Cincinnati, Ohio - Democrat since 1979
Milwaukee, Wisconsin - Democrat/Socialist since 1908
Newark, New Jersey - Democrat since 1907
St. Louis, Missouri - Democrat since 1949
Memphis, Tennessee - Democrat since 1826
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Democrat since 1951

http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/curley_effect_1.pdf

The other side of the Curley/Boston coin as it relates to Detroit, MI is identity politics.  Since the run of Democrat mayors in Detroit began, all but the first two have been black.  Low information voters tend to vote for people that identify with them and/or will give them something.
  

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Re: Ever wonder why impoverished cities always vote the same way?
Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 2:03am
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Smart people tend to flee from shitty places.
  
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