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Liberals hate success
Aug 22nd, 2013 at 10:53am
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I have often wondered if the reason why liberals and the rest of the left hate capitalism is because they simply hate success. Well, I have just seen more evidence to support this.

A 9 year old student has been banned from school reading contests because he is too good! Apparently he "hogs" the competition. The "winner" will now be decided by a lottery.
Trust a good ol' public school librarian to make that call.

Is it any wonder why public education is failing kids? The public sector is inevitably run by lefties who wish to impose "equality" and stifle achievement. A pox on them.

http://downtrend.com/jrc410/9-year-old-banned-from-library-contest-for-winning-l...
  
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Re: Liberals hate success
Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:22am
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"Why should any one person have more than another, unless it's me and then I earned the right to have more and thus deserve it."

I really don't think they hate success, I think they honestly don't understand it.  They don't understand that some people are either lucky or better than some other people and as a result more successful.  I believe that they honestly think to be successful you have to cheat someone out of something which created the disparity in the first place.

As far as the story about the 9 year old, they try to make kids feel better for trying.  Kids recognize false success for what it is and it really doesn't make them feel better.  When I was 8, my baseball team placed 4th at the end of the season and the only way I knew was that we received a 4th place trophy.  Never mind that we finished ahead of 4 other teams, I hated that 4th place trophy because we weren't in 1st.  I would have rather not known what place I was in than to receive a trophy so that every kid gets a trophy.
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:31pm
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I am a left winger, I don't hate success, I just think that if people become successful (e.g. make 6 figures) then they have a responsibility to help those who, through circumstances beyond their own control, can't have the same success. If life blessed you with the opportunity to be successful, you shouldn't be a Social Darwinist and your attitude shouldn't be "I worked hard and earned this, poor people are just lazy scum who should have worked as hard as me". Your attitude should be "I am going to help the mentally ill, the refugees, the naturally unintelligent/incapable, the substance addicted,  etc..." have an opportunity towards at least livable wages or ideally towards the same success as me.

The only success that I, and most left wingers, hate is success gained from the exploitation of the poor and desperate. When a neurosurgeon says "I got my money through hard work", you should agree, when a factory owner says the same, ask him "whose hard work?"

Short answer: success is fine, but don't be a sore winner.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 3:49pm
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I don't think the left hates success i think they have a different definition of success. What i see the left as wanting to say is "Look what we accomplished" while the right wants to say "Look what I accomplished" if you go to far to either side you are in the wrong.

What people need to understand is that it was not 100% me because no one has done anything themselves, but they may have put a lot of work into their success and should be proud of that. Such as the factory owner may have worked very hard to get the money to buy the factory or to build the factory and that is a huge accomplishment.

When it comes to children i do think they need to learn winners and losers because that is life. They need to be encouraged to work hard in order to succeed because if no one works hard to succeed we will all fail. This is why individual success is so important since it contributes to the success of the whole society. While the left thinks success is everyone working hard and everyone winning. We see that doesn't work in regular life, but that's the goal leftists are after.
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Re: Liberals hate success
Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 8:18pm
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They're fine with you being successful so long as you think the way they do.  A rich Republican or Libertarian is considered greedy, George Soros is never called greedy by the Left.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:51pm
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The employment agreement between the factory founder/owner and the factory worker is thus:

The factory owner will provide a wage to the worker in exchange for their labor.
The wage will reflect the value of the worker's labor to the owner.
The factory owner will enjoy the profits the factory creates and be responsible for the debts as well.
If the factory worker does not feel that these conditions of employment are not agreeable then they are free to seek other means of employment.

It's funny how people feel that when a business is successful, they "deserve" a larger share of the profits but when a business if failing they still deserve a larger share of the profits that used to be there.  If you begrudge the factory owner for being successful, then you don't understand the employer/employee relationship or you dislike a successful employer.
  

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Re: Liberals hate success
Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:43pm
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I'm new here so I figured I'd just dive right now. I adore political discussions, as long as it's level-headed.

First, I want to say that I don't believe someone who is successful has a "responsibility" to help others. You're a better person if you do give back to your community (or however you choose to give charity), but there is no responsibility attached. This is not a communist state and that mentality is part of the pitfalls of socialism: Greed.

This is America. If you want something, work hard and get it. ANYONE can rise above their current station.

Also, just want to add a quick HI to fellow Libertarians. Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:08pm
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khutzenbuhler wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
This is America. If you want something, work hard and get it. ANYONE can rise above their current station.


This is a belief and not a fact. The reality of the situation is that the US has the least social mobility of pretty much any first world country. But that clearly doesn't sound as good as "this is the land of the free, we are number one, etc...".
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 11:29pm
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Proletariat wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:08pm:
This is a belief and not a fact. The reality of the situation is that the US has the least social mobility of pretty much any first world country. But that clearly doesn't sound as good as "this is the land of the free, we are number one, etc...".

That sounds like a platitude that you need to back up with some sort of study.

Whether or not a person is able to move out of poverty is totally dependent upon the person and not society.  There is no law within the US that prevents them from going from the lower income levels up to the higher income levels or the other way around.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 6:20pm
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Countless people in America have pulled themselves out of poverty because of Capitalism.  Socialism tends to keep people down, and contributes the national debt.
  
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