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Reply #40 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 9:55am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 10:51pm:
Like every political philosophy, you get a healthy mix of those who think they can use it to get to the top, exploit others, and sit pretty, and those who actually believe in it for whatever reason.

Not "every" political philosophy. If you had even a schoolchild's understanding of the philosophy of the liberals who crafted the U.S. Constitution and created America, you'd know that libertarian political philosophy creates systems where, politically speaking, there's nothing to get to the top of and no power to do any exploiting.
  

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Reply #41 - Feb 19th, 2016 at 4:33am
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Jeff wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 9:55am:
Not "every" political philosophy. If you had even a schoolchild's understanding of the philosophy of the liberals who crafted the U.S. Constitution and created America, you'd know that libertarian political philosophy creates systems where, politically speaking, there's nothing to get to the top of and no power to do any exploiting.


Yes, every political philosophy. There just happened to be none at the founding. Everyone there knew what it was to be oppressed and was the latter sort - the true believer.

The only way my statement could be false is if you are asserting that no one has ever simply pretended to believe in these ideals to exploit people.

I'll give you a clue: People will pretend to believe in anything to exploit others. Stuff is not sacred just because you happen to believe in it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #42 - Feb 19th, 2016 at 8:20am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 19th, 2016 at 4:33am:
Yes, every political philosophy. There just happened to be none at the founding.

Wrong. The limited government designed by our Constitution doesn't give elected and appointed officials any power that enables them to "exploit" anyone.

The perversion of the system, most notably by FDR's cowed Supreme Court, is what gave our government the power to exploit people that made it worthwhile for despicable people to lie and cheat their way to "the top".

The political philosophy at the Founding was that of a Sovereign People controlling a strictly limited government so that it would serve the nation as a whole in certain specified ways. It's the philosophy of libertarianism, a belief in individual Liberty and Human equality based on Natural Rights. Every individual is at "the top" politically in this philosophical theory.
  

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Reply #43 - Feb 19th, 2016 at 9:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 19th, 2016 at 8:20am:
Wrong. The limited government designed by our Constitution doesn't give elected and appointed officials any power that enables them to "exploit" anyone.

The perversion of the system, most notably by FDR's cowed Supreme Court, is what gave our government the power to exploit people that made it worthwhile for despicable people to lie and cheat their way to "the top".


No doubt he used American ideals to get elected, and then did that. You say the power isn't there, but clearly it was. The machinery to stop it either didn't exist or malfunctioned. What I heard is that nowhere is it required for the Supreme Court to be exactly nine people.
  

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Reply #44 - Feb 20th, 2016 at 9:27am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 19th, 2016 at 9:39pm:
No doubt he used American ideals to get elected, and then did that. You say the power isn't there, but clearly it was. The machinery to stop it either didn't exist or malfunctioned. What I heard is that nowhere is it required for the Supreme Court to be exactly nine people.

That's right, the Supreme Court had six justices for quite a while, then a seventh was added because S.Ct. Justices used to ride the circuit of Courts and the country was growing larger.

But no, when I say the power doesn't exist, I mean it wasn't granted by the People, it can't be found in the Constitution.
What FDR's tame Court did was usurp power by the pretense that the general Welfare and Commerce clauses of the Constitution are general powers.

Clearly they are not.

Arguments that they are grants of general power require irrational and nonsensical constructions of the Constitution, obliteration of the writings of the Founders and the debates over ratification of the Constitution, obliteration of the Anti-Federalist papers and obliteration of Supreme Court precedents from the Founding forward to FDR.

What happened was the Federal Reserve screwed up so badly that people were willing to be convinced that the only way back to economic health and sanity was the 'progressive' way, so Congress, which should have slapped down both FDR and his Supreme Court, instead acquiesced in the power grab. Certainly some in Congress saw power and wealth for them in this "New" U.S. Constitution of virtually unlimited power.

Eight Supreme Court Justices would be better than nine. Congress should make it so rather than staging dog and pony shows about Obama's nominee.
  

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