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Nelson Mandela
Dec 5th, 2013 at 8:12pm
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Today the communist scum has died...Good riddance.

http://www.amren.com/features/2013/12/mandela-white-genocide-with-a-whimper/
  

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 9:52pm
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One of my pet peeves is when a person can be a total douche bag during their lives but when they die suddenly they become pillars of virtue.  Everyone forgets that Michael Jackson was a serial pedophile, John F Kennedy an adulterer who may have had a hand in his mistress' death, Heath Ledger was a drug addict and now Mandela.  I won't shed a damn tear.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:03pm
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keauxbi wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 9:52pm:
One of my pet peeves is when a person can be a total douche bag during their lives but when they die suddenly they become pillars of virtue.  Everyone forgets that Michael Jackson was a serial pedophile, John F Kennedy an adulterer who may have had a hand in his mistress' death, Heath Ledger was a drug addict and now Mandela.  I won't shed a damn tear.


There aren't many remaining journalists these days who will fully investigate his life and legacy properly.
  

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:07pm
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He did a lot of messed up shit but the fact is that Arpartheid was a horrible system. Black people weren't even allowed to vote but they still had to pay taxes and follow laws. I am sure no one here supports this.

As for Mandela, I don't have much of an opinion about him personally. I think there were way worse people and it was better with him in charge than Zuma (the guy they have now) or the guy before Zuma. Those are both really garbage corrupt assholes. He did messed up stuff and the songs about killing white people are nuts. At the same time, they didn't commit genocide when they did take over or create a new Apartheid aimed against whites where their property was taken from them, so you can't say that when they took power they were nearly as bad as when they were fighting. Right?

Other than that I hate how deified and glorified he's become. I keep seeing stuff about how sad it is that this hero died and such all over the place. He's a person like anyone else and shouldn't be glorified.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:27pm
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:18pm
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Liberalterian wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:07pm:
He did a lot of messed up shit but the fact is that Arpartheid was a horrible system. Black people weren't even allowed to vote but they still had to pay taxes and follow laws. I am sure no one here supports this.

As for Mandela, I don't have much of an opinion about him personally. I think there were way worse people and it was better with him in charge than Zuma (the guy they have now) or the guy before Zuma. Those are both really garbage corrupt assholes. He did messed up stuff and the songs about killing white people are nuts. At the same time, they didn't commit genocide when they did take over or create a new Apartheid aimed against whites where their property was taken from them, so you can't say that when they took power they were nearly as bad as when they were fighting. Right?

Other than that I hate how deified and glorified he's become. I keep seeing stuff about how sad it is that this hero died and such all over the place. He's a person like anyone else and shouldn't be glorified.


Look up how slavery was ended in Brazil.  With how South Africa has turned out, almost any other way to end apartheid would have been preferable.
  

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:29pm
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*insert typical Dennis social justice warrior post here*
  

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:56pm
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keauxbi wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Look up how slavery was ended in Brazil.  With how South Africa has turned out, almost any other way to end apartheid would have been preferable.

What's wrong with how South Africa ended? They're the only country in Africa which recognizes same sex marriage... sounds like it ended pretty well to me.  Smiley

Besides, I don't see how things are worse for the average South African now than before Apartheid. If you disagree please explain your position.


Bourgeois wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:29pm:
*insert typical Dennis social justice warrior post here*

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2013 at 12:01am
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Liberalterian wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:56pm:
What's wrong with how South Africa ended? They're the only country in Africa which recognizes same sex marriage... sounds like it ended pretty well to me.  Smiley

Besides, I don't see how things are worse for the average South African now than before Apartheid. If you disagree please explain your position.


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http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-...

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Instead, they are transforming what was by far the most prosperous state in Africa (and the one to which black Africans were fleeing to escape Red/black oppression, despite South Africa’s apartheid system then in place) into a corrupt despotism with: squashing of dissent; looting of the treasury by top government officials; sky-high unemployment; increasing poverty and homelessness; some of the world’s highest rates of murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, car-jacking; and the world’s highest HIV/AIDS infection rates.



Crime in South Africa

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In February 2007, the Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation was contracted by the South African government to carry out a study on the nature of crime in South Africa. The study concluded that the country is exposed to high levels of violence as a result of different factors, including:

    *The normalisation of violence. Violence comes to be seen as a necessary and justified means of resolving conflict, and males believe that coercive sexual behaviour against women is legitimate.
    *The reliance on a criminal justice system that is mired in many issues, including inefficiency and corruption.
    *A subculture of violence and criminality, ranging from individual criminals who rape or rob to informal groups or more formalised gangs. Those involved in the subculture are engaged in criminal careers and commonly use firearms, with the exception of Cape Town where knife violence is more prevalent. Credibility within this subculture is related to the readiness to resort to extreme violence.
    *The vulnerability of young people linked to inadequate child rearing and poor youth socialisation. As a result of poverty, unstable living arrangements and being brought up with inconsistent and uncaring parenting, some South African children are exposed to risk factors which enhance the chances that they will become involved in criminality and violence.
    *The high levels of inequality, poverty, unemployment, social exclusion and marginalisation.
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The country has one of the highest rates of rape in the world, with some 65,000 rapes and other sexual assaults reported for the year ending in March 2012, or 127.6 per 100,000 people in the country.


But sure, they have gay marriage.  Roll Eyes

  

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Re: Nelson Mandela
Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2013 at 12:08am
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But before that black people could not even vote yet still had to pay taxes and other state measures... in any case, I agree that the government they formed clearly was horrible and continues to be. As I mentioned Zuma is just atrocious, to say the least.

I do wonder what their statistics are for Apartheid South Africa, do you have some information about this? And how about how it was for blacks living through Apartheid? Did those normalizations of violence not occur during Apartheid times even in the case of blacks? Or is this something that has simply continued since Apartheid into now? You should provide some more evidence of how it was before. Especially the fact that people were arrested or shot for peaceful protests. Honestly I would rather have a crime-filled free society than a Fascist Society with low crime any day of the week. Not that the current society is free, but the Apartheid Regime is undoubtedly one which was not free at all.

Also, links that South Africa is despotic? Most things I read about the country seems to show that it's a Republic, albeit riddled with corruption.

And I'm glad you liked the She-Man joke.  Grin
  
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