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Reply #20 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:54am
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LibertariCAN wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:48am:
Because where there's you and Bourgeois, this cat fight about race realism starts.

Besides, I wasn't actually offended, I was just kidding.

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Reply #21 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 11:28am
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Shiva_TD wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:20am:
"Race" is a construct by society with the sole purpose of denying the equality of the Inalienable Rights of the Person based upon an invidious criteria the fully meets the definition of "psychotic" as it is reflects a derangement of the mind by those that believe that there is any race other than the Human Race.

Any person that is a "racist" is not really a libertarian as they are intellectually subjugating other individuals in society based upon an invidious critieria.

I don't like the whole "no true libertarian" argument but I do agree with the rest of this 100%. You have liberty but this does not give you the liberty to deprive others of their liberty.


Shiva_TD wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:06am:
It would actually be relatively easy to test to see of a child was being brainwashed. If they are being taught religion do they know not just Christian beliefs but also Hindu beliefs? If they know about capitalism do they also know about socialism?

Sure but a very religious Christian or Muslim family might think that teaching them about Hinduism is child abuse. Since you are teaching them about lies and Heathen beliefs. Thus, for them, to do so is indeed Child Abuse.

This is why it's tough to measure. You and I might say "well this is clearly child abuse" but for someone who believes 100% in Christianity this is not child abuse at all if they teach this to their kids. For them it might be as common sense to just teach them about Christianity as it is for us to teach our own kids about gravity or that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
  
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Re: Child Protection Agencies
Reply #22 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:03pm
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The "no true" fallacy applies to those who do not want to accept a slightly differing opinion, discussion, etc. from someone who belongs to the same label as them.

However there are certainly circumstances where you CAN say "no true libertarian" for instance. The fallacy only applies when that's the crux of your argument, and you're wrong.

So, if I ever say that I am a libertarian that is in favor of Nazi policies, then I am indeed no true libertarian  Grin
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:06pm
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It hurts MUH FEELS that Shiva thinks I'm not a real libertarian. I demand a libertarian race realist class action lawsuit against him for discrimination.
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:09pm
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Bourgeois wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:06pm:
It hurts MUH FEELS that Shiva thinks I'm not a real libertarian. I demand a libertarian race realist class action lawsuit against him for discrimination.

MUH FEELS!

Ok now we really have derailed this...  Grin
  
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Bourgeois wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:06pm:
It hurts MUH FEELS that Shiva thinks I'm not a real libertarian. I demand a libertarian race realist class action lawsuit against him for discrimination.

I'm in. Where's Martin and Fintan? Time to cash out.
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:28pm
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It's amazing, I can literally derail any thread with 0 effort just by bringing up race. Such an awesome power...to be used for good or evil is the question...with great power comes great responsibility
  

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Reply #28 - Dec 13th, 2013 at 10:24am
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Liberalterian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 11:28am:
I don't like the whole "no true libertarian" argument but I do agree with the rest of this 100%. You have liberty but this does not give you the liberty to deprive others of their liberty.


In one since I was being "dishonest" when I addressed this statement:

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Race Realism isn't psychotic, it is reality.


I addressed it from the perspective of the "racist" as opposed to honestly addressing it. Yes, we should teach "Race Realism" which would include the fact that "race" is a social construct to oppress others. For example it would be "Race Realism" to acknowledge that African-Americans have been oppressed in the United States since they were first brought here as slaves and that oppression both related to economic opportunity and law enforcement continues extensively today.

Virtually all of the "Problems" related to African-Americans from crime to poverty are based upon WASP (male) oppression of blacks in America that has never ended.

The "racist" doesn't want to address "Race Realism" in America and, in fact, they deny every scientific study ever conducted on "Race" relations in the United States.   

Liberalterian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 11:28am:
Sure but a very religious Christian or Muslim family might think that teaching them about Hinduism is child abuse. Since you are teaching them about lies and Heathen beliefs. Thus, for them, to do so is indeed Child Abuse.


Education and knowledge is not abuse. Teaching of religious philosophies is not an endorsment or advocacy of religion but instead is a comparative analysis of the different philosophical beliefs that would include both historical and current philosophies. That "parent" is fundamentally advocating "ignorance" in their children if they oppose providing their children with proper education and knowledge when it is age appropriate. 

Liberalterian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 11:28am:
This is why it's tough to measure. You and I might say "well this is clearly child abuse" but for someone who believes 100% in Christianity this is not child abuse at all if they teach this to their kids. For them it might be as common sense to just teach them about Christianity as it is for us to teach our own kids about gravity or that the Earth revolves around the Sun.


We don't teach our children about "gravity" until it is age appropriate (i.e. they have the mental ability and foundation to understand) to do so. Why would religious philosophy be any different?

It is interesting on a personal level that I was raised in a WASP family and my mother took be to church as far back as I could remember. It wasn't until I was about 16 that I finally investigated "Christianity" on my own and I made appointments with different "Christian" sect leaders (pastors and preachers). I did not go there to learn the commonality of their "teachings" but instead to address the differences.

For example where did Catholics come up with the Mother Mary having a predominate place in their religious teachings. I was as well informed as I could be before the interview and basically the Catholic priest admitted that the Church just made it up as it went along. The same was true with the authority of the Pope. The Church made up a lot of it's teachings. I found that to be true with virtually all of the different Christian sects that I interviewed so I don't mean to pick on the Catholics.

It was an interesting quest for knowledge that ultimately lead me to eventually reject all religions although all do contain some good "moral" standards (off-set by immoral standards such as the subjugation of women by most religions).   


  
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Reply #29 - Dec 16th, 2013 at 3:24pm
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I found this on facebook  Grin Grin Grin:



"Girl: Daddy, I'm hungry. Please make make something to eat.

Father: Honey, this household does not give handouts You are responsible for your own survival. Get a job or better yet start your own business so you will never be hungry again.

Girl: But you are my daddy. You're supposed to take care of me.

Father: I do not consent to making you a meal. You may not force me to do so otherwise. I am not your slave. I am a free sovereign man. It's my natural right to ignore your needs and only care for mine. Remember the NAP, statist thingy.

Such is life in a libertarian world."
  
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