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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #20 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 5:30am
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Awesome wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:45am:
Going back to the main topic. Isn't A&E a private company so they can hire/fire whom they want? Or am I missing something here?


The terms of the contract dictate what they can do, and in this case(the suspension of Phil, not the termination) the contract AFAIK is also private. They can fire who they want, but consumers(viewers) can also retaliate through multiple means(boycott of A&E goods or Duck Dynasty/Duck Commander goods, voicing opinions), and it is all fair and justified.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #21 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:17pm
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Crystallas wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 5:24am:
Under natural law, it's impossible for us all to be equal. And since natural law is reality, that is why man-made laws are also not equal.

How is it impossible? If you murder someone then you should get the same treatment as someone else who murdered someone, thus we are equal before the law in this regard.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #22 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 4:08pm
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Crystallas wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 5:30am:
The terms of the contract dictate what they can do, and in this case(the suspension of Phil, not the termination) the contract AFAIK is also private. They can fire who they want, but consumers(viewers) can also retaliate through multiple means(boycott of A&E goods or Duck Dynasty/Duck Commander goods, voicing opinions), and it is all fair and justified.

Why would anyone watch this stuff in the first place, whether boycotting them or not? Tongue
  

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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #23 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 4:45pm
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Awesome wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Why would anyone watch this stuff in the first place, whether boycotting them or not? Tongue

Exactly, I tried to watch it the other day and changed it after a few seconds. It was just a couple rednecks talking about making jerky.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #24 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm
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Liberalterian wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:17pm:
How is it impossible? If you murder someone then you should get the same treatment as someone else who murdered someone, thus we are equal before the law in this regard.


Nope. Do you have the same trial date, same judge? Did you equally murder the same person as the other? Does a gangster get the same treatment for murder, as a Ice Cream truck driver? What races have a higher incarceration rate, who is more protected.

Still looking for equality, and it is nowhere to be found. The closest thing is rhetoric.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #25 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:13pm
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Awesome wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Why would anyone watch this stuff in the first place, whether boycotting them or not? Tongue


Because they like it. You don't have to like what they like, they don't have to like what you like. Just because you are a die hard Justin Bieber fan, doesn't mean I have to be.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #26 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 1:01am
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Crystallas wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Nope. Do you have the same trial date, same judge? Did you equally murder the same person as the other? Does a gangster get the same treatment for murder, as a Ice Cream truck driver? What races have a higher incarceration rate, who is more protected.

Still looking for equality, and it is nowhere to be found. The closest thing is rhetoric.

The first two don't matter. As for the gangster or ice cream truck driver, sure they would both get a life sentence. As for races being incarcerated more than others, this is mostly due to differences in poverty levels across races as well as the war on drugs. Get rid of the war on drugs and it would be a lot more equal.

In any case, everyone SHOULD BE equal before the law. I agree that it is not so in a lot of ways nowadays (someone who's rich can get away with a lot more than someone who's broke, for example) but it should be equal.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #27 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 1:06am
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Should be, and can be are two different things. Law is not, can not be equal, because we are not equal.
  
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Re: What do you think of the Duck Dynasty issue ?
Reply #28 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 7:51am
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Bourgeois wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:38am:
No one is "equal" in anything. It's literally impossible by virtue of being able to occupy the same space. Everyone is inherently unequal, in entirety, philosophically.


The "Inalienable Rights of the Person" are equal in all People. What we do with our Rights as a Person is what makes us different.

We should expect equality of opportunity based upon our Inalienable Rights as a Person but we cannot expect equality of outcome as that should be based solely upon what we do with our Inalienable Rights.

We should always be judged based upon our merits as an individual and never discriminated against based upon invidious criteria such as the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, or our gender.

Phil Roberson expressed his religious beliefs which are anti-gay and anti-black in the GQ interview. He is entitled to those beliefs but a person can be judged based upon their beliefs. He's a good person and I don't believe that he realizes the negativity of his beliefs based upon his religion.

The problem with the GQ interview is that it reflects no depth of thought by Phil Roberson. He merely parrots "Christian" beliefs held by millions but the article doesn't delve into depth related to any personal beliefs by him.

I've been a long fan of Duck Dynasty and I've always known that the family holds bigoted Christian religious beliefs. I don't believe that anyone that's watched the show was unaware of this fact. That Phil Roberson would express what everyone that watches the show should have already known is not shocking or surprising. It might be sad that Phil Roberson is a religous and racist bigot but that was a known fact going in.

Phil Roberson is not going to change and he represents tens of millions of Americans and perhaps that is more important overall. He merely represents the tens of millions of Americans that have explicit invidious prejudice that can lead to discrimination and shows how hard it will be for Americans to eventually overcome invidious prejudice that leads to discrimination which violates the Rights of the Person. He is not a "bad" person but his beliefs are very negative and adversely affect the American dream of equality for all people based upon the Inalienable Rights of the Person.


  
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