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Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the internet and US Sovereignty
Feb 28th, 2014 at 1:50am
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President Obama and Establishment Republicans are pushing for a trade deal with 12 mostly rogue communist Asian Nations called the Trans Pacific Partnership or TPP for short. However only 5 percent of this Treaty has to do with trade.  The other 95% has to do with the SOPA and ACTA internet Censorship bill http://boingboing.net/2014/01/29/save-the-internet-stop-fast-t.html ending Generic Drugs as we know it by extending  patents and raising prices heavily on brand name drugs http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/11/19/could-the-trans-pacific-partner... end MADE IN AMERICA on food products and services and allowing food to be made in Dictatorship countries like Vietnam with NO REGULATIONS on are food and now NO WAY OF TELLING IF THAT FOOD WAS MADE AND MANUFACTURED IN THE USA OR NOT http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/trans-pacific-partnership-free-trade-madness/ and so much more stuff that will end the Sovereignty of the United States of America as we know it.  More information can be found about the Tran Pacific Partnership including the creation of NEW COURTS to make the US Constitution NULL AND VOID if the TPP is enacting and signed into law by President Obama who favors this Anti American an US Constitution violating trade treaty. 

Click this link to learn more about this dangerous Tran Pacific Partnership treaty http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/02/08/18750500.php

Click here to watch this YOUTUBE video from the Tea Party Network as to why we need to oppose the Trans Pacific Partnership >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k95w7TuWz0 ; also click here to watch this other youtube video in regards to the Trans Pacific Partnership >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpO36Xju8w

Now much of the Main Stream Media has been silent about the Trans Pacific Partnership because of the way it would undermined the US Constitution and the checks and balances that keep this nation from total dictatorship if you wish to believe that.  However the Trans Pacific Partnership allows NEW COURTS that will make are US Constitution NULL AND VOID and send people to jail for protesting or linking a YOUTUBE VIDEO on this Libertarian forum PLEASE READ > http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/16820-trans-pacific-partnership-takes...

Now Congress especially the Republicans want to use FAST TRACK or Trade Promotion Authority and what this does is removes power from Congress to regulate trade.  So that means instead of the usual 67 votes in the Senate to ratify a trade treaty it would only take 51 votes to ratify this treaty in the senate and would take away the rights of the senate to filibuster or change this treaty so Congress is only allowing President Obama and the Corporations to rule and regulate this treaty which defies the US Constitution and takes away ALL SOVEREIGNTY and protections of the US Constitution to the American people and that is the danger of Trade Promotion Authority in regards to the Trans Pacific Partnership.

I urge you all to call Congress at 2022243121 and tell them NO TO THE TRANS PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP and NO TO TRADE PROMOTION AUTHORITY or FAST TRACK.

Please as well use this petition to send a message to the NEW FINANCE CHAIRMAN and the senator that blocked SOPA the last time Democrat Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon.

Last time Senator Wyden blocked the SOPA internet censorship bill in the Senate and now that he is the NEW FINANCE CHAIRMAN we are hoping he can do the same again to keep the internet open and free.  Please sign this petition below to tell Senator Wyden HANDS OFF THE FREE AND OPEN INTERNET when it involves this TPP trade treaty where SOPA is being sneaked into this trade treaty.  Facebook and Twitter this petition and the 3 others below where it involves the Trans Pacific Partnership and Trade Promotion Authority.

http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/wyden/?t=dXNlcmlkPTQ3ODc0ODQ1LGVtYWlsaWQ9NDgxMQ...

2 other petitions to sign and again Facebook and Twitter these petitions to friends and family:

http://www.stopfasttrack.com/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/obama-pushes-tpp-despite-mounting-oppositi...

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/sign/stop_tpp_tafta_monsanto_protection_act_o...

Please help keep the internet and are Country and it's Sovereignty free from lobbyist and rogue nations in mostly Asian Dictatorship countries from ruining the US Constitution and the rights of every American Citizen.

THANK YOU
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm
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I agree with all this, but Congress has been ratifying treaties in an unconstitutional manner for quite some time now. If I remember correctly, NAFTA did not meet the constitutional two-thirds threshold.
  
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the internet and US Sovereignty
Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:24am
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I really don't like fearmongering and the facts dispute the fearmongering in this OP.

Article VI of the US Constitution contains the "Supremacy Clause" that establishes the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land. All laws and treaties made in "Pursuance thereof" are still subject to the authority of the US Constitution.

The United States will never lose it's "sovereignty" as the actual sovereignty of the United States is established by the individual sovereignty of the person in the United States. A nation's sovereignty is not established by "law" but instead is established by the individual sovereignty of the person living within the territory of the nation. The US Constitution merely protects our sovereignty.

The only problem I see related to this is the problem of "standing" related to who can challenge the treaty or law. We do have many laws (and treaties) that apparently can't be challenged because no one has "standing" to present a lawsuit. Of course if any person can show actual harm imposed by a law or treaty then then would have standing to file a lawsuit against it but it must be direct harm that is being caused for which the actions of the court can redress that harm. Standing is always an important issue in addressing the Constitutionality of laws and treaties.

But enough of the fearmongers. Presentation of legitimate objections is encouraged but to claim that the United States will somehow "lose it's sovereignty" is absurd fear-mongering that needs to be discouraged.

  
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the internet and US Sovereignty
Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 9:16am
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Shiva_TD wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 7:24am:
I really don't like fearmongering and the facts dispute the fearmongering in this OP.

Article VI of the US Constitution contains the "Supremacy Clause" that establishes the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land. All laws and treaties made in "Pursuance thereof" are still subject to the authority of the US Constitution.

The United States will never lose it's "sovereignty" as the actual sovereignty of the United States is established by the individual sovereignty of the person in the United States. A nation's sovereignty is not established by "law" but instead is established by the individual sovereignty of the person living within the territory of the nation. The US Constitution merely protects our sovereignty.

The only problem I see related to this is the problem of "standing" related to who can challenge the treaty or law. We do have many laws (and treaties) that apparently can't be challenged because no one has "standing" to present a lawsuit. Of course if any person can show actual harm imposed by a law or treaty then then would have standing to file a lawsuit against it but it must be direct harm that is being caused for which the actions of the court can redress that harm. Standing is always an important issue in addressing the Constitutionality of laws and treaties.

But enough of the fearmongers. Presentation of legitimate objections is encouraged but to claim that the United States will somehow "lose it's sovereignty" is absurd fear-mongering that needs to be discouraged.


When our Supreme Court decided to alter the most basic foundations of the U.S. by declaring that the government is Sovereign, not the People, and that the Supreme Court, not the People, has the power to decide what our Constitution means and how it will be applied, we lost our standing to challenge unconstitutional laws.
Now, as subjects of a Sovereign government, we need permission from that government to access that Sovereign government's courts.
The most fundamental actual harm is done when our government fails to follow the Constitution we created to limit the power of that government.
John Jay, who helped fashion the Constitution and served as our first Chief Justice, held that any citizen has standing to challenge any law enacted by Congress as being unconstitutional, and that all questions as to the meaning of our Constitution must be referred back to the People to be decided.
That's back when we were still Sovereign and the government was our servant.
The good old days of Constitutional government in the U.S.
  

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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the internet and US Sovereignty
Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2014 at 10:55pm
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pighhy7 wrote on Feb 28th, 2014 at 1:50am:
President Obama and Establishment Republicans are pushing for a trade deal with 12 mostly rogue communist Asian Nations called the Trans Pacific Partnership or TPP for short. However only 5 percent of this Treaty has to do with trade.  The other 95% has to do with the SOPA and ACTA internet Censorship bill http://boingboing.net/2014/01/29/save-the-internet-stop-fast-t.html ending Generic Drugs as we know it by extending  patents and raising prices heavily on brand name drugs http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/11/19/could-the-trans-pacific-partner... end MADE IN AMERICA on food products and services and allowing food to be made in Dictatorship countries like Vietnam with NO REGULATIONS on are food and now NO WAY OF TELLING IF THAT FOOD WAS MADE AND MANUFACTURED IN THE USA OR NOT http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/trans-pacific-partnership-free-trade-madness/ and so much more stuff that will end the Sovereignty of the United States of America as we know it.  More information can be found about the Tran Pacific Partnership including the creation of NEW COURTS to make the US Constitution NULL AND VOID if the TPP is enacting and signed into law by President Obama who favors this Anti American an US Constitution violating trade treaty. 

Click this link to learn more about this dangerous Tran Pacific Partnership treaty http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/02/08/18750500.php

Click here to watch this YOUTUBE video from the Tea Party Network as to why we need to oppose the Trans Pacific Partnership >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k95w7TuWz0  also click here to watch this other youtube video in regards to the Trans Pacific Partnership >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpO36Xju8w

Now much of the Main Stream Media has been silent about the Trans Pacific Partnership because of the way it would undermined the US Constitution and the checks and balances that keep this nation from total dictatorship if you wish to believe that.  However the Trans Pacific Partnership allows NEW COURTS that will make are US Constitution NULL AND VOID and send people to jail for protesting or linking a YOUTUBE VIDEO on this Libertarian forum PLEASE READ > http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/16820-trans-pacific-partnership-takes...

Now Congress especially the Republicans want to use FAST TRACK or Trade Promotion Authority and what this does is removes power from Congress to regulate trade.  So that means instead of the usual 67 votes in the Senate to ratify a trade treaty it would only take 51 votes to ratify this treaty in the senate and would take away the rights of the senate to filibuster or change this treaty so Congress is only allowing President Obama and the Corporations to rule and regulate this treaty which defies the US Constitution and takes away ALL SOVEREIGNTY and protections of the US Constitution to the American people and that is the danger of Trade Promotion Authority in regards to the Trans Pacific Partnership.

I urge you all to call Congress at 2022243121 and tell them NO TO THE TRANS PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP and NO TO TRADE PROMOTION AUTHORITY or FAST TRACK.

Please as well use this petition to send a message to the NEW FINANCE CHAIRMAN and the senator that blocked SOPA the last time Democrat Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon.

Last time Senator Wyden blocked the SOPA internet censorship bill in the Senate and now that he is the NEW FINANCE CHAIRMAN we are hoping he can do the same again to keep the internet open and free.  Please sign this petition below to tell Senator Wyden HANDS OFF THE FREE AND OPEN INTERNET when it involves this TPP trade treaty where SOPA is being sneaked into this trade treaty.  Facebook and Twitter this petition and the 3 others below where it involves the Trans Pacific Partnership and Trade Promotion Authority.

http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/wyden/?t=dXNlcmlkPTQ3ODc0ODQ1LGVtYWlsaWQ9NDgxMQ...

2 other petitions to sign and again Facebook and Twitter these petitions to friends and family:

http://www.stopfasttrack.com/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/obama-pushes-tpp-despite-mounting-oppositi...

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/sign/stop_tpp_tafta_monsanto_protection_act_o...

Please help keep the internet and are Country and it's Sovereignty free from lobbyist and rogue nations in mostly Asian Dictatorship countries from ruining the US Constitution and the rights of every American Citizen.

THANK YOU



unregulated food production like unregulated housing is a GOOD idea

price down quality up and customers naturally walk away from bad service
  
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