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Re: How to make decisions
Reply #60 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:25pm
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try the virtue of selfishness by Ayn Rand

anything by milton friedman

anything by ludwig von mises

anything by lysander spooner

if you initiate force, you are wrong, and proof of course must be supplied

nothing hard here

here are some simple hints:  do what you want but dont steal or hurt anyone, and respec tthier ability to not only not deal with you but to tell others about you if you act irritating

dont ask gov for money, and freely trade

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Re: How to make decisions
Reply #61 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:26pm
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kypho wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:25pm:
try the virtue of selfishness by Ayn Rand

anything by milton friedman

anything by ludwig von mises

anything by lysander spooner

if you initiate force, you are wrong, and proof of course must be supplied

nothing hard here

here are some simple hints:  do what you want but dont steal or hurt anyone, and respec tthier ability to not only not deal with you but to tell others about you if you act irritating

dont ask gov for money, and freely trade

done


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Re: How to make decisions
Reply #62 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:50pm
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kypho wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:25pm:
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Is that a complete education? It sounds like a fair beginning, but a bit tilted toward an-cap. I think a good understanding of the government we're supposed to have is a necessary and urgent requirement for those interested in liberty.
  

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Reply #63 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:15pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 8:02am:
There is no power granted by our Constitution to "rule" or to "govern". It's a government that may tax but isn't permitted to govern.

The act of taxation is an act of ruling. If I have $10, and the government takes it, the government has decided that it, not I, is going to determine how that $10 is spent.

Also, have you lately read Article III, Section 2; Article V, or last sentence of Article I, Section 8? Could you tell me if Article III, Section 2 does or does not give the Federal government the power to make decisions that affect me and my property?
  
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Reply #64 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:40am
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The act of taxation is an act of ruling. If I have $10, and the government takes it, the government has decided that it, not I, is going to determine how that $10 is spent.

Also, have you lately read Article III, Section 2; Article V, or last sentence of Article I, Section 8? Could you tell me if Article III, Section 2 does or does not give the Federal government the power to make decisions that affect me and my property?

Judicial power under the Constitution relating to laws made under the granted powers of the Constitution is necessary to prevent the government from extending beyond those granted powers, and to ensure that treaties made with foreign nations do not usurp the rights and liberties of citizens. It's a control on the government, not on you.

The necessary and proper clause applies to Constitutionally granted powers as a limit on the lawmaking ability of Congress. Congress can only enact laws which are necessary to carry out its granted Constitutional powers, and which can be seen as doing so in proper fashion.

As the authors of the Constitution said repeatedly, the Constitution grants no general powers to the government, only specific and limited powers.

"Governing" or "ruling" entails something like the ACA, where government tells you what you must do. NO such general power is created by the Constitution.
A specific and limited power to tax does tell you what you must do- pay any Constitutional tax- but that is not a power to govern, only a specific and limited power to tax.
  

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Reply #65 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:20pm
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So to answer my question, no, you haven’t read Article III, Section 2 lately. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority [...] to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States.

Jeff wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:40am:
"Governing" or "ruling" entails something like the ACA, where government tells you what you must do.

Yeah, and when the government tells me I must give it my money, that entails the government telling me what I must do.

Jeff wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:40am:
A specific and limited power to tax does tell you what you must do- pay any Constitutional tax- but that is not a power to govern, only a specific and limited power to tax.

Only you could pretend there is a distinction here. No one is claiming that the Constitution entails an unlimited power to govern. What it entails is a specific and limited power to govern. Taxation is the most fundamental form of aggressive governance.
  
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Reply #66 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:35am
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So to answer my question, no, you haven’t read Article III, Section 2 lately. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority [...] to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States.

Yeah, and when the government tells me I must give it my money, that entails the government telling me what I must do.

Only you could pretend there is a distinction here. No one is claiming that the Constitution entails an unlimited power to govern. What it entails is a specific and limited power to govern. Taxation is the most fundamental form of aggressive governance.

Yes, taxation is necessary if you want to have a government to protect your life, liberty and property.
Describing taxation as "governing" is a far stretch, particularly when the taxing allowed is strictly limited to prevent the taxing power from being used to favor any groups or individuals, as in "Direct taxes must be apportioned" and "Indirect taxes must be uniform".

I don't understand your point about the Supreme Court's judicial powers under the Constitution. It's clearly a power granted in order to prevent the governments from exceeding their granted powers or usurping additional powers. That's a good thing.
  

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Reply #67 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:43pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:35am:
Yes, taxation is necessary if you want to have a government to protect your life, liberty and property.

No. It’s. Not. If I want my life, liberty, and property to be protected, I can either do it myself or voluntarily pay someone to do it for me. Taxes not required.

Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:35am:
Describing taxation as "governing" is a far stretch, particularly when the taxing allowed is strictly limited to prevent the taxing power from being used to favor any groups or individuals, as in "Direct taxes must be apportioned" and "Indirect taxes must be uniform".

When the government tells me I must give it my money, that entails the government telling me what I must do. When the government spends my money, that entails it controlling part of my life. If it takes 10% of my income in taxes, that’s 10% of my life controlled by the government.

Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:35am:
I don't understand your point about the Supreme Court's judicial powers under the Constitution.

“The Federal government’s judicial power extends to Controversies to which the United States shall be a party.” If I have a dispute with the United States, that dispute falls within the Federal government’s judicial power.
  
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Re: How to make decisions
Reply #68 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:51pm
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No. It’s. Not. If I want my life, liberty, and property to be protected, I can either do it myself or voluntarily pay someone to do it for me. Taxes not required.

What's the plan to keep some narco terrorist gang from Mexico, with the help of their corrupt government, or maybe without it, from taking control of Texas, or California, New Mexico or Arizona? You don't care because you don't live there?
My property taxes, which are pretty low, since I live in a poor county in the Bible Belt, pay for the County Sheriff's Department and the County Courts. They both do a good job, fairly cheaply. Not perfect, just good value for the money.
I like it better than your 'plan'.
  

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Reply #69 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:51pm:
What's the plan to keep some narco terrorist gang from Mexico, with the help of their corrupt government, or maybe without it, from taking control of Texas, or California, New Mexico or Arizona?

The same plan we have now: pay people to kill them if they aggress. This is not rocket science, Jeff.
  
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