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Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:46pm
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whats the downside?

upside includes no balloon pensions no oen voted for

pay and forget

also modern tek, and firing bad cops since not crony communist mob it is now
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:23pm
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The downside is that you don't necessarily have any control over what laws they enforce, much like under the current system.
  
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not really, they are hired to enforce the laws, they just aren't an unccountable government agency
  
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Who precisely are they accountable to?  Force is hard to hold to account whether government or otherwise?
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:41am
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I would embrace it. Good (privatised) cops would be rewarded with promotions and/or pay increases. The bad cops would be dismissed.

The only outcome is you would ultimately end up with a "good" police force.

Much unlike the system we currently have.

disclaimer: im not trying to imply that all Police are corrupt;, I believe most cops are decent people- doing their jobs the best they can. Its just that with the state-run Police, its incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to weed out the bad ones. Privatisation would remedy this quickly. imo.

  
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Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:39pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:41am:
I would embrace it. Good (privatised) cops would be rewarded with promotions and/or pay increases. The bad cops would be dismissed.

The only outcome is you would ultimately end up with a "good" police force.

Much unlike the system we currently have.

disclaimer: im not trying to imply that all Police are corrupt;, I believe most cops are decent people- doing their jobs the best they can. Its just that with the state-run Police, its incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to weed out the bad ones. Privatisation would remedy this quickly. imo.


I think you might be right! Wasn't the KGB a sort of 'private' police force? I think that's what the DHS is too...
I guess you're talking about something different... has such a thing ever existed? I mean outside of the law and law enforcement and system of justice provide by government?
I think, in a state of nature, 'private police forces' are called warriors, and whoever has the most and best warriors, wins.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 4:11pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
I guess you're talking about something different... has such a thing ever existed? I mean outside of the law and law enforcement and system of justice provide by government?

Sure, right here in the U.S. (not the "outside of the law" part). Prior to the progressive era, official police forces were considered supplements to private citizens maintaining law and order, instead of a replacement.

In fact, nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is it required that arrests, prosecutions, convictions, or even imprisonment must be performed by a government entity. It wouldn't violate the constitution in any way today for a state to allow (competitive) private prosecutions and punishments IAW state laws, and the U.S. constitution.

I'm too lazy to do the research now, but I think there is some history in the U.S. of legal prosecutions and convictions without the direct involvement of any government (other than making the law being enforced). Maybe I'll research some details when I get the chance.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 4:20pm
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 4:11pm:
Sure, right here in the U.S. (not the "outside of the law" part). Prior to the progressive era, official police forces were considered supplements to private citizens maintaining law and order, instead of a replacement.

In fact, nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is it required that arrests, prosecutions, convictions, or even imprisonment must be performed by a government entity. It wouldn't violate the constitution in any way today for a state to allow (competitive) private prosecutions and punishments IAW state laws, and the U.S. constitution.

I'm too lazy to do the research now, but I think there is some history in the U.S. of legal prosecutions and convictions without the direct involvement of any government (other than making the law being enforced). Maybe I'll research some details when I get the chance.

Certainly in frontier areas, Sheriffs were chosen by the community and served as law enforcement agents before there was any local government. But there was territorial government and the Army, even if they weren't always there when people needed them. And there was vigilante justice without courts or Judges too, in most cases it was probably pretty good.
But people knew they were subject to the Common Law, and to the law of their State or Territory. They also relied on the national Army to protect their lives, liberty and property, or at least hoped it would.

I hope this doesn't distract from my question. Has a private police force ever existed outside of law and government?
  
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Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 4:20pm:
Has a private police force ever existed outside of law and government?

I would say no, since the term "police" itself implies law enforcement, regardless of whether it's a government or a private police force.

But the OP wasn't referring to an organization operating outside the law. He was referring to a private police force operating IAW the law.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 10:13pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
I think you might be right! Wasn't the KGB a sort of 'private' police force? I think that's what the DHS is too...
I guess you're talking about something different... has such a thing ever existed? I mean outside of the law and law enforcement and system of justice provide by government?
I think, in a state of nature, 'private police forces' are called warriors, and whoever has the most and best warriors, wins.

The KGB was the main security agency for the Soviet Union (a communist state)from 1954 until its collapse in 1991.  "sort of private?" I dont think the KGB  could possibly get farther away from being privatized. And the DHS (i believe) is funded by the government, so they cannot be considered as being privatized.

I think what kypho was talking about is a police force (you know, cops with batons, K9s, patrol cars , etc.) with private funding and oversight as opposed to state funded.


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