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Reply #10 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:11am
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
I would say no, since the term "police" itself implies law enforcement, regardless of whether it's a government or a private police force.

But the OP wasn't referring to an organization operating outside the law. He was referring to a private police force operating IAW the law.

OK, he was talking about privatizing the police, using tax money to hire a private security company to perform current police functions. I think some communities should give it a try.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:23am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 10:13pm:
The KGB was the main security agency for the Soviet Union (a communist state)from 1954 until its collapse in 1991.  "sort of private?" I dont think the KGB  could possibly get farther away from being privatized. And the DHS (i believe) is funded by the government, so they cannot be considered as being privatized.

I think what kypho was talking about is a police force (you know, cops with batons, K9s, patrol cars , etc.) with private funding and oversight as opposed to state funded.


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I was thinking about the KGB and DHS as being privately controlled, as in one man directed their mission and operations.

Privatized, as Allan pointed out, means a government paying a private company to do work formerly done by government employees. The funding still comes from tax payers, the control of the operation is still through the government, the employees are just no longer direct employees of the government. Privatizing means hiring a for profit company to perform government services.

You're talking about strictly private security, where a private company is hired by private individuals or companies to provide services for them. Lots of such arrangements already exist. Would  this be a good idea for the LAPD? Some city should try it, but it will be pretty hard to get rid of the current setup. Politics and unions are involved. Some small town should try it I guess.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:30am
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kypho wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:46pm:
whats the downside?

upside includes no balloon pensions no oen voted for

pay and forget

also modern tek, and firing bad cops since not crony communist mob it is now

OK, what are you talking about?
FedEx and UPS compete, (as much as they are allowed) with the USPS. Are you saying someplace like my county should have private police forces competing (as much as the government would allow) with the existing police? (Who are by the way led by an elected Sheriff and are non-union.)
There are a few people in my county rich enough to have their own private police- if they did, would they be able to arrest me? Would constitutional protections still apply? Would I have to get the government police to arrest the private police if the private police violated my rights?
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 11:57am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:23am:
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You're talking about strictly private security, where a private company is hired by private individuals or companies to provide services for them. Lots of such arrangements already exist. Would  this be a good idea for the LAPD? Some city should try it, but it will be pretty hard to get rid of the current setup. Politics and unions are involved. Some small town should try it I guess.


Yes. I thought thats what kypho was talking about in the original post. Perhaps I misunderstood the premise of the thread.
Anyways, has anyone seen the (video of) brutal beating that CHP cop dealt to that poor defenseless woman? That cop is now on "administrative leave" (and probably still getting paid).

Clearly, this cop has "issues" and is not qualified to wear the badge of any law-enforcement agency.

Had the CHP organization been privatized, that cop would have his pink-slip and final paycheck in hand that same day of the beating.
Private firms dont screw around with a bunch of needless protocol when it comes to terminating a bad employee. 





  
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Reply #14 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 2:24pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 11:57am:
Private firms dont screw around with a bunch of needless protocol when it comes to terminating a bad employee. 






They do if they're unionized, and often if they're not. Large corporations want to make sure that employees are fired for good reason, and lower level managers often have the power to get people fired- after the required protocol has been followed.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 2:46pm
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FedEx and UPS don't have authority over people who aren't their customers.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #16 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 2:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 2:46pm:
FedEx and UPS don't have authority over people who aren't their customers.

Neither does the USPS.
Actually, the only people private companies have authority over are their employees, and that goes for the USPS too.
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 3:37pm
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The only one I can think of that might come close to a privatized police force would be Pinkerton detective agency started in the 1850's I believe.  IIRC they were hired by quite a lot of companies and communities to hunt down fugitives.   

  
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Reply #18 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 3:53pm
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redneckgearhead wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 3:37pm:
The only one I can think of that might come close to a privatized police force would be Pinkerton detective agency started in the 1850's I believe.  IIRC they were hired by quite a lot of companies and communities to hunt down fugitives.   


I didn't remember, so I looked it up. Pinkerton was a special agent with the Post Office, a government employee. After he started his private business, he was hired by the government to escort President elect Lincoln to Washington.
He botched up an attempt to capture (or kill) Jesse James. After that, his agents mostly were hired by mine and factory owners as protection against violent strikers, or as strikebreakers. It  seems that they served both purposes.
In modern times, they provide private security. It's a shame so many people need them. Another failure of government in its primary duties.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:01pm
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The biggest concern IMO is that these companies would have to be hired by local politicians. And as we all know the companies making the biggest campaign contributions ususally get the job.....
  
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