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Reply #20 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm
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redneckgearhead wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
The biggest concern IMO is that these companies would have to be hired by local politicians. And as we all know the companies making the biggest campaign contributions ususally get the job.....

So, you've figured out what kypho was talking about? I'm still confused.
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:32pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
There are a few people in my county rich enough to have their own private police- if they did, would they be able to arrest me?

Sure, if they had probable cause. But a private company, or individual, would have no reason to fund a security force except to protect their own interests, and they already do that in the U.S.

Jeff wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Would constitutional protections still apply? Would I have to get the government police to arrest the private police if the private police violated my rights?

Not only are private security forces subject to the same laws, they can be sued for false arrest as well. And unlike state officials, they don't have "qualified immunity".

According to Wikipedia, most defendants in false arrest cases are private security firms, largely security guards falsely arresting suspects for shoplifting (presumably before they actually leave the store).
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 5:08pm
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:32pm:
Sure, if they had probable cause. But a private company, or individual, would have no reason to fund a security force except to protect their own interests, and they already do that in the U.S.

Not only are private security forces subject to the same laws, they can be sued for false arrest as well. And unlike state officials, they don't have "qualified immunity".

According to Wikipedia, most defendants in false arrest cases are private security firms, largely security guards falsely arresting suspects for shoplifting (presumably before they actually leave the store).


Their own interests are that they want his stuff. I hear he has chickens.
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 8:22pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 7th, 2014 at 5:08pm:
Their own interests are that they want his stuff. I hear he has chickens.

He has a hot wife, too. As Confucius say: "He who covet neighbor's chicken instead of hot wife is fool".
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:04am
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:32pm:
Sure, if they had probable cause. But a private company, or individual, would have no reason to fund a security force except to protect their own interests, and they already do that in the U.S.

Not only are private security forces subject to the same laws, they can be sued for false arrest as well. And unlike state officials, they don't have "qualified immunity".

According to Wikipedia, most defendants in false arrest cases are private security firms, largely security guards falsely arresting suspects for shoplifting (presumably before they actually leave the store).

You're talking about how private security works in a country under the rule of law, with a government system of law enforcement and justice to back it up. I already know that.
I'm wanting to know how it will work in the an-cap fantasy world.
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 12:00am
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it would simply replace lazy burocrats with accountable private employees
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:41am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:04am:
You're talking about how private security works in a country under the rule of law, with a government system of law enforcement and justice to back it up. I already know that.
I'm wanting to know how it will work in the an-cap fantasy world.

Oops. For some reason, I didn't make any connection with AnCap in this thread, or realize that AnCap was the context of your posts.

That being said, private security/police should work the same in AnCap, the big difference would be in law-making, not law enforcement. That's my problem with AnCap: I have no problem with private entities operating IAW the law, my objection is to private entities enacting the law.
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:14am
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:41am:
Oops. For some reason, I didn't make any connection with AnCap in this thread, or realize that AnCap was the context of your posts.

That being said, private security/police should work the same in AnCap, the big difference would be in law-making, not law enforcement. That's my problem with AnCap: I have no problem with private entities operating IAW the law, my objection is to private entities enacting the law.

I don't think the kypho person ever clarified what the original post was actually about. I'm still confused. Sorry I passed my confusion on to you.
It looks like kypho is too busy clogging up the entire forum with posts nobody is much interested in to clarify any of the posts he/she is making.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:21am
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/11/constitution-cramp-your-law-enforcement

Just a short article about some 'private' policing.
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 1:38am
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Alan Jones wrote on Sep 7th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
He has a hot wife, too. As Confucius say: "He who covet neighbor's chicken instead of hot wife is fool".


The Opposition say: "He who chooses chick over chicken lose both and starve too."

I'll take the chick magnet/food production.
  

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