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Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:02pm
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From the book:  The Problem of Political Authority
http://www.amazon.com/The-Problem-Political-Authority-Examination/dp/1137281650

Exerpt to page 22:  http://spot.colorado.edu/~huemer/Contents.pdf

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Problem_of_Political_Authority

At the conclusion he talks of what conditions are needed to create a libertarian state:

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An anarchist society might be established under conditions that make war unlikely. Provided that
i) the society were established in a region otherwise dominated by liberal democracies,
ii) the society itself embraced liberal values,
iii) the society maintained strong social and economic relations with its neighbors,
iv) the society lacked large internal religious or ethnic tensions,
v) the society were not established in a region of long-standing territorial dispute,
vi) the society were established through an indigenous movement rather than being imposed by foreign powers, and
vii) the society were established with the consent of the state previously controlling the territory, then an anarchist society would probably be stable and free from violent conflict with other nations.

The first six of these conditions (in conjunction) are entirely realistic. Only the seventh seems unattainable in the near future, chiefly because very few people have accepted the theory defended in this book.


So looking at item "i" an Anarchist state is dependent on a "moat" of neighboring liberal democracies.  That a libertarian society is intrinsically unable to stand alone.

Free State Project libertarians voted for a state bordered by Massachusetts, Canada and New York (albeit one state away), all among the most socialist of democracies. 

  
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:13pm
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I haven't read the book, but it seems to me that he's referring to a situation in which a stateless society exists in the context of other areas still controlled by governments. Since he's presumably an anarchist, I seriously doubt that he believes a scenario of worldwide statelessness would be impossible due to the absence of liberal democracies.

Also, since he's speaking in the context of war (ensuring that a hypothetical stateless society wouldn't be invaded by its statist neighbors), your reference to the Free State Project doesn't make much since. It's not like MA, NY, or VT are going to invade New Hampshire.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:32pm
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MaxHen wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:13pm:
to the Free State Project doesn't make much since. It's not like MA, NY, or VT are going to invade New Hampshire.


I apologize for not being clear.  I lived for a time in that area so that point was obvious to me.

More than three quarters of the population of New Hampshire lives within a one hour drive to Massachusetts.   For this reason, New Hampshire spends less money than most states on services.  People who need better medical care or social services drive over the border to get what they need from the more socialist state.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:21pm
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JW wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:32pm:
I apologize for not being clear.  I lived for a time in that area so that point was obvious to me.

More than three quarters of the population of New Hampshire lives within a one hour drive to Massachusetts.   For this reason, New Hampshire spends less money than most states on services.  People who need better medical care or social services drive over the border to get what they need from the more socialist state. 

It's a good point, peaceful states that respect liberty and the rule of law are necessary neighbors. What would also be necessary is a national government that would permit such a state to exist within it's borders. It's a threat to the national governments control and power.
I mentioned Poland at the time of our Revolution. They effectively had no central government. The people were attempting to install a Constitution like ours. Russia, Prussia, and Austria nipped it in the bud, annexing huge sections of Poland for themselves, and sending armies to defeat the republican forces. Because it was a threat to their power. Liberty is infectious.
  

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