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Re: LP says get out of Iraq and Syria
Reply #580 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:18am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:14am:
That's a question you should pose to Pat Buchanan.  It's his opinion.


So you post random crap you don't agree with?
  

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Reply #581 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 3:29am:
“Apparently, U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia are insufficient to satiate our War Party. Now it wants us to lead the Sunnis of the Middle East in taking down the Shiites, who are dominant in Iran, Iraq, Syria and South Lebanon, and are a majority in Bahrain and the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. military has its work cut out for it. President Trump may need those transgender troops.”

--Patrick Buchanan    Aug. 2, 2017

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/08/patrick-j-buchanan/endless-wars/


most of these people have no intention on being serious Tom. And when one does, the others with a motive to only disrupt, usually barges in. I would suggest it's going to have to start with the Chief or Jeff if there is ever going to be a decent conversation.

Barring leaving it too late and a hot war is started with a serious foe. That is likely what it's going to take to awaken the whole country in an unpleasant way. Not nuclear war perhaps, but something that makes it imminent.

Keep trying, Cheers from Canada.
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Reply #582 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 12:15pm
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Don_G wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am:
most of these people have no intention on being serious Tom. And when one does, the others with a motive to only disrupt, usually barges in. I would suggest it's going to have to start with the Chief or Jeff if there is ever going to be a decent conversation.

Barring leaving it too late and a hot war is started with a serious foe. That is likely what it's going to take to awaken the whole country in an unpleasant way. Not nuclear war perhaps, but something that makes it imminent.

Keep trying, Cheers from Canada.
Don


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Reply #583 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm
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Don_G wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am:
most of these people have no intention on being serious Tom. And when one does, the others with a motive to only disrupt, usually barges in. I would suggest it's going to have to start with the Chief or Jeff if there is ever going to be a decent conversation.

Barring leaving it too late and a hot war is started with a serious foe. That is likely what it's going to take to awaken the whole country in an unpleasant way. Not nuclear war perhaps, but something that makes it imminent.

Keep trying, Cheers from Canada.
Don


There are probably many visitors and lurkers who come to this site and it might be useful to show them that not all "libertarians" are anti-free enterprise, anti-individual liberty, and pro-war.  Cry

So, keep on posting!   Wink
  
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Reply #584 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 1:30pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm:
There are probably many visitors and lurkers who come to this site and it might be useful to show them that not all "libertarians" are anti-free enterprise, anti-individual liberty, and pro-war.  Cry

So, keep on posting!   Wink


You're very confused.  You think Donat's a libertarian and the rest of us are "anti-free enterprise, anti-individual liberty, and pro-war?"

Huh

Maybe you should try reading the site and not just posting here
  

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Re: LP says get out of Iraq and Syria
Reply #585 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 6:09am
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kaz wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 1:30pm:
You're very confused.  You think Donat's a libertarian and the rest of us are "anti-free enterprise, anti-individual liberty, and pro-war?"

Huh

Maybe you should try reading the site and not just posting here


From what I  have read here, you  gay-bash and make cases for military intervention. 

Others favor more economic regulation and oppose free enterprise.  I'm not sure if you do or not.


  
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Re: LP says get out of Iraq and Syria
Reply #586 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:59am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 6:09am:
From what I  have read here, you  gay-bash and make cases for military intervention. 

Others favor more economic regulation and oppose free enterprise.  I'm not sure if you do or not.


The Don-G guy thinks Canada is better than the U.S. because it has more government doing more things. He's especially fond of having the government in charge of and paying for medical care for everyone. In short, he's about as libertarian as Hillary. Cheesy
  
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Reply #587 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 10:12am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 6:09am:
From what I  have read here, you  gay-bash and make cases for military intervention


You sir, are a liar, I've done neither.  Anarchists are idiots.  You take a minarchist and you're so extreme that you literally think I'm worse than a socialist (Don).

I have a good friend who's an orthodox Jew.  He was telling me that most orthodox Jews are way harder on moderate Jews because they think they know better than on gentiles because we don't.  That's your approach to politics.

Here's my extremist views on those subjects:

Gays - I don't want government to pay for sex change operations.  Beyond that, don't care.  I oppose government gay marriage, but only because I oppose all government marriage, it should be a private affair.  Government should not treat any citizens differently than other citizens.

I think the MIC is a lobby that is counter to the interest of the American people and not a secret underground shadow government.

On the other hand, you think a socialist who supports single payer and redistribution of wealth is a libertarian.  You're not playing with a full deck.


Tom Palven wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 6:09am:
Others favor more economic regulation and oppose free enterprise.  I'm not sure if you do or not


That's because you're an idiot.  I oppose virtually all government market regulation.  If someone commits a crime or a civil infraction, that's why we have courts.  We should not have government control decisions before they are made.   All they do is implement social policy through businesses
  

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Re: LP says get out of Iraq and Syria
Reply #588 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:16am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm:
There are probably many visitors and lurkers who come to this site and it might be useful to show them that not all "libertarians" are anti-free enterprise, anti-individual liberty, and pro-war.  Cry

So, keep on posting!   Wink


Thanks Tom. I'm trying to remake this site into something that ordinary decent people will care to read. Right now it's profane and full of repulsive people making extremist comments.

I think that a libertarian site is difficult to reform because most of the agenda of libertarians won't stand any direct scrutiny. Some will but it's not common to most of these people, except maybe SkyChief on a good day. The trouble is, his good days are turned into following the lead of the spammers and then he's lost too.

I have confidence that can change but libertarians don't have any real skin in the game yet. Everything  for them is too easy and complianing about the system is as far as they get.
  
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Re: LP says get out of Iraq and Syria
Reply #589 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 12:46pm
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Don_G wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:16am:
Thanks Tom. I'm trying to remake this site into something that ordinary decent people will care to read. Right now it's profane and full of repulsive people making extremist comments.


You mean like calling anyone who supported Trump maggots and worms and slugs?
  
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