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Re: Private enterprise is more efficient than Government enterprise?
Reply #10 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 8:48am
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Vexer wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:35am:
This seems to be a given fact, in the minds of our average Libertarian that Private everything is better than Public anything.† It's a cornerstone of their (your) philosophy.

But what if this was wrong?

Vexer's ability converse in coherent English seems to be held, by Vexer, as a given fact. It is a cornerstone of his philosophy.

But what if this was wrong?

Would Vexer finally stop posting, upon this earth-shattering realization?
  
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Re: Private enterprise is more efficient than Government enterprise?
Reply #11 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:38am
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Vexer wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:35am:
Is there any objective way to show that Private Enterprise is in any way better, or more Efficient that Public (Government) Enterprise?


Centuries of empirical evidence show that nations with free economies have far, far better outcomes for their citizens than do countries where economies are controlled by the government.

Perhaps that doesn't speak directly to "efficiency", but, what possible motivation does a government "enterprise" have to be efficient?
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:52pm
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Private enterprise will tend to outperform government (from the perspective of consumers) because private enterprise has an incentive to produce good outcomes for consumers, whereas public bureaucrats only have an incentive to produce good outcomes for themselves and their agencies.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 3:30am
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I swear to Ayn Rand, Iíve read every word of this thread.

Is there any reason that this question was not answered:

Is there any objective way to show that Private Enterprise is in any way better, or more Efficient that Public (Government) Enterprise?


  
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Reply #14 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 7:29am
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Vexer wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 3:30am:
I swear to Ayn Rand, Iíve read every word of this thread.

Is there any reason that this question was not answered:

Is there any objective way to show that Private Enterprise is in any way better, or more Efficient that Public (Government) Enterprise?



Vexer, every libertarian (actually every honest person) already knows that a free economy produces better results than a government controlled economy. If you want to try to prove that "Government enterprise" is more "efficient", go ahead.
Before I'll pay any attention to any of your arguments in favor of "Government enterprise", you'll have to tell me exactly what you mean by "efficient".

  

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Reply #15 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:27pm
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Vexer wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 3:30am:
Is there any objective way to show that Private Enterprise is in any way better, or more Efficient that Public (Government) Enterprise?

Sure, if they can be compared side to side, such as comparing the U.S.Post Office with FedEx. But government isn't particularly inefficient when it has competition. The real inefficiency is when government imposes a monopoly so that such an objective comparison can't be made.

And to answer that, you need to realize that "private  enterprise" refers to multiple entities, while "government" refers to a single entity. Then rephrase the question: Is a monopoly better for consumers than free competition? Then the answer is obvious, and has been known for centuries. Limiting competition drives prices up. Even if it's called "single payer" instead of "imposed monopoly" to deceive stupid people.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:47pm
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Alan Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:27pm:
Sure, if they can be compared side to side, such as comparing the U.S.Post Office with FedEx. But government isn't particularly inefficient when it has competition. The real inefficiency is when government imposes a monopoly so that such an objective comparison can't be made.

And to answer that, you need to realize that "private† enterprise" refers to multiple entities, while "government" refers to a single entity. Then rephrase the question: Is a monopoly better for consumers than free competition? Then the answer is obvious, and has been known for centuries. Limiting competition drives prices up. Even if it's called "single payer" instead of "imposed monopoly" to deceive stupid people.

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Reply #17 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 1:35am
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There is one area where goverment tend to outperform free market

Court.

Private courts are horrible.

At least in US

You sign up for something. Then somewhere deep in the term there is a saying that if things go wrong you should arbitrage your dispute in a private court.

Because those who draft the contract pick the private court, they simply pick private court that will side with them. The consumers, not knowing much, agree to the terms.

I think there are factors that explains this anomaly.

1. Government is much bigger than private courts. Hence, government need to maintain better reputation.
2. While not as efficient as free market, government does have it's own check and balance mechanism.

I can go on. So yea, those are one rare exception to the rule. There are many others. At the end, your fate depends on you. Nothing is truly private and nothing is truly governmental. Governments are like private bizs and private bizs often behave like government, often a very bad one.
  
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Re: Private enterprise is more efficient than Government enterprise?
Reply #18 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:39am
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genepool wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 1:35am:
There is one area where goverment tend to outperform free market

Court.



I think there are factors that explains this anomaly.

1. Government is much bigger than private courts. Hence, government need to maintain better reputation.

This sounds foolish to me. Our courts in the U.S. are designed to be impartial and to protect the rights and property of individuals.
They worked pretty well until we got so many "laws" that even lawyers and judges can't understand, and so many "rights" created by "laws" that are incomprehensible.
  

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Re: Private enterprise is more efficient than Government enterprise?
Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 6:36pm
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genepool wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 1:35am:
There is one area where government tend to outperform free market:

Court.


I think the reason for this exception is that in this case, you want them to have no vested interest in the customer. If they have such an interest, it is at the expense of justice. If anyone pays [directly], justice can't be blind.

But to be fair, even so, it's hard to keep the individual interests out. Picking juries randomly does a good job, but criminals can simply waive their right to trial by jury, defeating the purpose.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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