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Why some welfare is unavoidable
Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:06pm
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Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:03pm
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I agree wholeheartedly. In this way capitalism does not mimic a natural system.

What I hope is that those other 99 people would stop giving that one guy their horses, pigs, chickens, dates, figs, scythes, and ploughs for his money.

Because, at that point, you know you're not going to get a fair deal. By the time you go to spend the money, it won't be worth the same horse or cow you gave for it. If this didn't happen, the amount of excess wealth a person had would be proportionate to his extra contributions of labour into the system. And it is impossible for one person to contribute 99% of the labour.

This is why I dislike the concept of currency.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Why some welfare is unavoidable
Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:16am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:03pm:
I agree wholeheartedly. In this way capitalism does not mimic a natural system.

"Capitalism" doesn't mimic anything, it is a natural system.
Whenever people have economic freedom, they work, they save money, they start businesses, they lend money, they invest, they open banks, etc.
Nothing could be more natural than what people freely create whenever and wherever they are free.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:23am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:03pm:
This is why I dislike the concept of currency.

Hey, I forgot, part of the "ect." from my previous post is money. Whenever people have economic freedom, they create some sort of medium of exchange to grease the wheels of the commerce they create. They create money.

Everybody except hard line communist dreamers understands how money benefits everyone. Stable money of real value anyway, but that's what you meant- fiat money doesn't benefit free people- but even fiat money is better than having to barter for everything.
  

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Re: Why some welfare is unavoidable
Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:25am
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genepool wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:06pm:

If the "one guy" stole the money from them, sure, but if he got rich through hard work and mutually agreed to exchanges, they would just be murdering him because he was successful.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:35am
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The 99 people would then proceed to starve to death.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:40pm
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The 99 people would then proceed to starve to death.

If they killed  the person who had been stealing the bread from their mouths? They'd likely prosper.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:30pm
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BTW gene, allowing government to redistribute wealth is always dangerous.
If you give government that power, they will use it, and the wealth will flow to government and their cronies.
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:40pm:
If they killed  the person who had been stealing the bread from their mouths? They'd likely prosper.

In the meme, the person isn't stealing it. He's creating it.

When progressives say "hoard", they really mean "create". They are mentally incapable of making the distinction.
  
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Re: Why some welfare is unavoidable
Reply #9 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm
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In the meme,...
In your "meme". Pack it in there tight...

Is your entire world a self created fantasy? Or is your brain just defective?
It was said that he was "hoarding" all the wealth that others created.

You don't want to actually talk about "capitalism" do you? Coward.
  

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