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Sep 10th, 2015 at 2:35am
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Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:08pm
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I liked it.  Sometimes its good to laugh at ourselves.

Many people take themselves too seriously. They need to lighten up.

This cartoon will help with that.   Grin
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 8:14pm
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Well, that guy has a lot of good videos.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:49pm
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I don't see what's wrong with the comment that spawned the video.

The only potential objection I see is if the money the government thugs "took" was actually given voluntarily, on the contingency that the government did not give it to immigrants. It's a weak objection because I know that's not the case. If given the choice, those people would simply keep that money, so they can't complain about what's done with it any more than they can complain about a thief's night in Vegas.

The libertarian position is essentially that groups don't exist. To me this is like claiming organisms don't exist, only individual cells, and perhaps stripping a murderer of the thin layer of hand skin that grasped the murder weapon and calling it justice done. To me. But apparently I am wrong, so I'm trying to change my view.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:18pm
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Groups exist. Humans form groups. Groups that more successfully cooperate flourish.

Israel slaughter Canaanites. Roman crucified thousands of jews. All those require team work.

In fact, our intuitive sense of morality evolve out of our desire to make our group out perform others.

We want fairness. That is, we want our members' group's interests to be properly aligned to our groups' interests.

Many may even be willing to sacrifice themselves for the group. Here, the cost of sacrifice should be well compensated by the increase benefit his family get from the group success.

So suicide bombers family may get higher rank in hamas. You would sacrifice your time to vote so more libertarian party win.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:56pm
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I still don't understand the point of the video.

What's his problem? NAP does have problem. Individuals are too weak and too ephemeral to defend his own right. Waiting for somebody to volunteer to defend your right means those with the biggest pocket (like Genghish Khan) can simply have more right. The video doesn't show anything. Just statistic.

If whites are benefited by libertarianism (not in all cases). So what?

They got interesting statistic. Much more black on white rape than the other way around? Hmmm... very interesting.

Yet when an asian professor said that black girls are not "sexy" he got canned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 8:57am
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
The libertarian position is essentially that groups don't exist.

No, it's communists that claim that groups will disappear when true communism comes into existence, leaving only the Collective, living on the Commons.

Libertarians love voluntary groups.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 10:29am
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genepool wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:56pm:
I still don't understand the point of the video.

"Uncuck" "the" "right". Not rocket science.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 12:19pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
The libertarian position is essentially that groups don't exist.

You know that's not true. Groups exist, they just don't have separate sentience.

The Opposition wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
To me this is like claiming organisms don't exist, only individual cells, and perhaps stripping a murderer of the thin layer of hand skin that grasped the murder weapon and calling it justice done. To me.

Sure, if we discovered that that thin layer of skin was sentient and itself committed the deed.

The Opposition wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
But apparently I am wrong, so I'm trying to change my view.

Judging from the above, you're trying very hard not to.  Grin
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 3:47pm
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[quote author=526E635949767669756F726F6968060 link=1441866952/3#3 date=1441936184
The only potential objection I see is if the money the government thugs "took" was actually given voluntarily, on the contingency that the government did not give it to immigrants. It's a weak objection because I know that's not the case. If given the choice, those people would simply keep that money, so they can't complain about what's done with it any more than they can complain about a thief's night in Vegas. [/quote]
There's a technical psychiatric term for what's wrong with you, and I'm trying to dredge it up from my time at college,... I remember, "crappity smacked in the Head".
  
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