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President Touts More Gun Controls, Gun Sales Soar.
Oct 5th, 2015 at 3:28pm
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The President made some very chilling comments about usurping 2nd Amendment Rights following the shootings at UCC campus in Roseberg, OR.  He has a habit of doing this following any mass-shooting by a lunatic.  And when he does, folks panic and rush out to purchase firearms they probably don't really need.  This, of course, only serves to increase the gun pool from which these lunatics obtain the weapons for their mass-murder. This talk of limiting 2nd Amendment rights is incredibly counter-productive.  Why doesn't he recognise this?

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by AWR HAWKINS, Oct 2, 2015

Residents in Roseberg, Oregon, are rallying around the Second Amendment in the wake of the heinous attack on Umpqua Community College (UCC), suggesting the attack itself is proof of why citizens need to be armed for self-defense.

According to the Associated Press, Roseberg is a mill town surrounded by hunting and fishing opportunities, and one where many residents say they do not leave home without a handgun for self-defense. They do not carry because crime is high, but because crime is low and they want to keep it that way.

Consequently, residents like J.C. Smith believe the attack at UCC was made possible by the fact that the school denied the exercise of Second Amendment rights to its students. Smith suggests that “barring people from carrying guns on campus made it particularly vulnerable to a ‘lone wolf’ attack” like the one witnessed Thursday.

Casey Runyan, a disabled Marine, said he carries to protect himself and pointed to the UCC attack as proof of the need to be ready to do so. Runyan said he carries a Glock handgun “everywhere he goes.” He added, “All my friends agree with me. That’s the only kind of friends I have.”


Roseberg sits in Douglas County, where Sheriff John Hanlin drew attention to himself by fighting an expansion of gun control in 2014. He fought hard against expanded background checks–gun control’s Trojan Horse–even sending a letter to Vice President Joe Biden expressing his conviction that the laws being pushed were “offending the constitutional rights of [Douglas County] citizens.”

On October 2–the day after the heinous attack on UCC–Sheriff Hanlin made clear that his views remained the same and gun control is not the solution to stopping attacks like the one carried out in Roseberg.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/roseberg-oregon-residents-say...


  
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Reply #1 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:35pm
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Certainly, there are a lot of Congressmen and women who have committed high crimes, and low crimes too.
They are already prohibited from owning guns, but they don't need guns, we taxpayers pay big bucks to provide them with superior protection, because.... they want to disarm us?

But yes, Obama's politburo says we need to be disarmed.

'Progressives' have been trying to disarm the American people since the American Revolution, and they won't give up. They believe in "Historical Determinism".
(Is Marx really back in favor?)
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 5:28pm
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SkyChief,

You may be one of the remnant.  The remnant means what remains, such as after installing a large section of carpet, small leftover pieces, which might be used in other areas, are called "remnants."

I had heard the word used among libertarians long ago, but it hadn't registered until it was brought to mind a few days ago when Karen Kwiatkowski used it in an article:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/karen-kwiatkowski/the-indispensable-nation-2...

Apparently the first person to use the term with regard to libertarians was Albert Jay Nock.  Wikipedia says:

"In his 1936 article "Isaiah's Job",[8] which appeared in the Atlantic Monthly and was reprinted in pamphlet form in July 1962 by The Foundation for Economic Education, Nock expressed his complete disillusionment with the idea of reforming the current system. Believing that it would be impossible to convince any large portion of the general population of the correct course and opposing any suggestion of a violent revolution, Nock instead argued that libertarians should focus on nurturing what he called "the Remnant".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jay_Nock

Back in the heady days of the fledgling LP it seemed obvious to some of us that if a political party could take the free enterprise positions of the GOP, and the individual liberty parts of the Democrats, and combine them, that everyone would flock to that party.  But it seems that the exact opposite has occurred.  With the exception of the decriminalization of gay marriage and certain sex acts, it seems that the US has almost abolished the Bill of Rights, and continues to move to abolish what remains.  The right to bear arms has already been infringed through many regulations, and it seems certain that it will be further infringed upon.


Harry Browne said that one can "Find Freedom in an Unfree World," and keep the ideas of individual liberty alive despite an advancing police state or nanny state or combination of both, and that's what I will attempt to do.  One thing I won't do is waste any money on the NRA, or the LP, or any group that spends its money supporting lawyers or politicians, although of course everyone else should be free to spend their resources as they wish.

If the US bureaucracy implodes, we can at least hope for a nonviolent "Velvet Revolution" type of situation that occurred when Czechoslovakia split up, which the remnant might try to channel in the direction of freedom.


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Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 2:04am
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Tommy Palven wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 5:28pm:
The right to bear arms has already been infringed through many regulations, and it seems certain that it will be further infringed upon.


Nobody can deny this.  Further infringements are in the works for gun rights.  Which is sad for many reasons, but the most important is the governments willingness to blatantly violate the rules of law established by the Founding Fathers.

Also sad, is a clumsy Supreme Court who is charged with the duty of protecting these Laws. They are either unwilling or unable to correctly interpret the phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."  That's not legal jargon. It's just plain English.  Written so everyone can understand it.  So then, why can't the Supreme Court figure it out?

The intended function of the Second Amendment is quite clear.  It was put there so the people have a means to stop a tyrannical government from overpowering the people.  It's there so civilians may possess the equivalent weaponry that the Police have should they ever get some "bad" directives and decide to take over.

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If the US bureaucracy implodes, we can at least hope for a nonviolent "Velvet Revolution" type of situation that occurred when Czechoslovakia split up, which the remnant might try to channel in the direction of freedom.


I think most Americans are generally very cavalier when it comes to Liberty and Freedom. As long as they have their smart-phones and cheap gasoline, they're happy. 



  
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 2:04am:
I think most Americans are generally very cavalier when it comes to Liberty and Freedom. As long as they have their smart-phones and cheap gasoline, they're happy. 





Yep.  They feel safe and in good hands.

They've been taught that our government is good and is taking care of them,  and that more of it is better. 

The  Russians once felt the same way: 
Just a little expansion of the nanny state aspects, a bit larger effort by the police statists and militarists, increased taxation of the wealthier people to pay for it, and a couple of more 5-year plans!
(We here in the States might also throw in a bit more tinkering by the Federal Reserve.)

And voila!  Happy Days are Here Again!
  
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 2:04am:
I think most Americans are generally very cavalier when it comes to Liberty and Freedom. As long as they have their smart-phones and cheap gasoline, they're happy. 

Most Americans currently believe that our national government is the biggest threat in the entire world to their liberty, and they aren't happy with the TwoParties either.

Lot's of people are just "hoping" for "change" and most of them hope the change will be good, a wonderful world delivered to them through government power.
  

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Jeff wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 3:19pm:
Lot's of people are just "hoping" for "change" and most of them hope the change will be good, a wonderful world delivered to them through government power.


Ostensibly, it is the the People who empower Government. Never the inverse.

Otherwise, you wind up with Russia, North Korea, China, or Cuba,etc...

Yuck!

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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 1:07am:
Ostensibly, it is the the People who empower Government.

Ostensibly?
If a government is not granted powers by the People, where does it's power come from?

Surprise me with something new, I already know about the Divine Right of Kings.
  

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Where does the power of government derive?  From the Supreme Court, of course.  It has been granting power to the federal government for decades.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 6:31pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 5:17pm:
Where does the power of government derive?  From the Supreme Court, of course.  It has been granting power to the federal government for decades.


Too much power. 

The first "bad ruling' happened in 1875 when the SCOTUS somehow concluded that:

"The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government."

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/92/542/case.html

Its been a slippery slope ever since that ruling. One infringement after the other. Which, of course, is expressly forbidden by the Amendment.

Which part of THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED didn't they understand?

  
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