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Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Oct 13th, 2015 at 2:18pm
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It doesn't seem like there is any case that it would and thus would be permissible in a Libertarian society.
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:14pm
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It depends on how you define it, since it's a pretty general concept. After all, robbery is technically a form of blackmail ("give me money or I'll hurt you").
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:25pm
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Give me money, or I will disclose some information about you.

What you describe is called "assault."
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:26pm
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If I demand an employee up her productivity or else I'll fire her, that's also a form of blackmail.

But clearly nothing wrong with that.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:27pm
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If I demand an employee up her productivity or else I'll fire her, that's also a form of blackmail.

But clearly nothing wrong with that.


That is not blackmail either. 
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:55pm
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Define blackmail.
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #6 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 5:00pm
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The crime of threatening to reveal embarrassing, disgraceful or damaging facts (or rumors) about a person to the public, family, spouse or associates unless paid off to not carry out the threat.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 5:10pm
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crime

Crime is, by definition, a violation of the NAP. Fix your definition.
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 1:27am
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jzk wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Give me money, or I will disclose some information about you.


I say it's an issue of whether or not I have the right to disclose the information about you in the first place. If I do - if I have that sovereign decision - you can't really punish me for what I choose to base it on.

Now if I don't have a right to reveal the information... Let's say I got it illegally by being on your property illegally and recording you... Then I already violated the NAP. It will simply come to light when I attempt the blackmail.

But you know, if everyone always says no to blackmail, and just lets the blackmailer reveal the information every time, there is never any benefit in it and the practice will stop unless someone else is paying them. People will not find it profitable to gather the information in the first place. If you don't like the practice, starve it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #9 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 7:37am
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Walter Block has written a paper on this.

It is perfectly ok to reveal the information.  It is also perfectly ok to ask for money.  But it is not ok to do both at the same time. 

He concludes, of course, that blackmail wouldn't violate the NAP.

The Opposition wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 1:27am:
I say it's an issue of whether or not I have the right to disclose the information about you in the first place. If I do - if I have that sovereign decision - you can't really punish me for what I choose to base it on.

Now if I don't have a right to reveal the information... Let's say I got it illegally by being on your property illegally and recording you... Then I already violated the NAP. It will simply come to light when I attempt the blackmail.

But you know, if everyone always says no to blackmail, and just lets the blackmailer reveal the information every time, there is never any benefit in it and the practice will stop unless someone else is paying them. People will not find it profitable to gather the information in the first place. If you don't like the practice, starve it.

  
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