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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #10 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:13pm
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Alan Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
It depends on how you define it, since it's a pretty general concept. After all, robbery is technically a form of blackmail ("give me money or I'll hurt you").

Actually it's most important how our laws define it, and how those laws are applied in court.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:15pm
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Define blackmail.

Read a legal dictionary,follow the references if you are still confused. Don't ask a 'progressive', they can't comprehend language.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:16pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 7:37am:
Walter Block has written a paper on this.

Use him as your defense lawyer after you are arrested for blackmail.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:20pm
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Well the thing is that I didn't ask about our laws and black mail, but rather blackmail and the NAP.  So our laws are irrelevant.

Jeff wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:13pm:
Actually it's most important how our laws define it, and how those laws are applied in court.

  
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Reply #14 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:21pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:20pm:
Well the thing is that I didn't ask about our laws and black mail, but rather blackmail and the NAP.  So our laws are irrelevant.


The entire body of the Common Law is essentially based on the NAP, as is almost all of our criminal law. It is entirely relevant.

If you want to start over and create something "better" than the Common Law, go ahead. Post it up when you think you have it right.

Maybe you're tribal minded? How could you imagine that blackmail isn't an aggressive act, an attempt to have one's way over another?
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:28pm
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Oh, that is right, I forgot.  According to you, our current system is already "libertarian" with the whole "right to liberty" being protected by the federal government, etc.

But the truth is that there is no state that follows only the NAP.  Blackmail is not an aggressive act unless you are a progressive nanny state type, such as yourself. 

Is it aggression for me to publicize your secrets?

Is it aggression for me to ask you for money?



Jeff wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:21pm:
The entire body of the Common Law is essentially based on the NAP, as is almost all of our criminal law. It is entirely relevant.

If you want to start over and create something "better" than the Common Law, go ahead. Post it up when you think you have it right.

Maybe you're tribal minded? How could you imagine that blackmail isn't an aggressive act, an attempt to have one's way over another?

  
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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:33pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:28pm:
Blackmail is not an aggressive act unless you are a progressive nanny state type, such as yourself. 

Geez, do you read the crap you write? Blackmail has been illegal for a very ling time, because it's an attempt to force your will on another person, to force them to do something they wouldn't voluntarily do. The NAP says such actions are wrong. They are initiations of force.

Are you a genius too?
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:35pm
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Well Jeff, there are no libertarian states at the moment.  You realize the current state of the law has zero to do with the libertarian view, right?

So, why not do the analysis? 

Is it an aggressive act for me to publicize your secrets?

Is it an aggressive act for me to ask you for money?



Jeff wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:33pm:
Geez, do you read the crap you write? Blackmail has been illegal for a very ling time, because it's an attempt to force your will on another person, to force them to do something they wouldn't voluntarily do. The NAP says such actions are wrong. They are initiations of force.

  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:40pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
Well Jeff, there are no libertarian states at the moment.  You realize the current state of the law has zero to do with the libertarian view, right?

No. 'Progressives' are a far cry from destroying the Common Law. They'll keep trying though. The Common Law was created by "the libertarian view".
  
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Re: Does Blackmail violate the NAP?
Reply #19 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:42pm
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jzk wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 5:35pm:
Is it an aggressive act for me to publicize your secrets?

How did you learn my secrets? You stole them. That in itself is aggressive, it's theft.

You can ask me for money if you want to, but if I tell you to stop bothering me (and I will) and you continue anyway, I'll file a charge of harassment.
  
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