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Reply #70 - Feb 2nd, 2017 at 12:55pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 12:12pm:
LPers make up roughly 14% of the electorate. GPers make up roughly 5%. Combined, they make up less than 20% of the electorate.

This is no threat to the UniParty.  I think the key is to make the UniParty constituents accept the fact that their ideology is more aligned with Libertarian Party. Many will convert.  Kills 2 birds with 1 stone;  strengthens the LP while simultaneously weakening the UniParty.


This is why I think all 3rd parties should cooperate on local elections.  LP should work for the GP in the very blue districts where someone GPers are more likely to get elected than GOPers.  GPers should work for LPers in the red districts where the dems don't have a chance.  Maybe, and its a big mabye, this might get some 3rd party candidates elected to something.  Which will be good for all 3rd parties by adding legitimacy to the idea voting for 3rd parties.  Neither an LPer nor a GOPer is going to get elected in San Francisco but a GPer might, we should work together to attack the two party system.
  
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Reply #71 - Feb 2nd, 2017 at 4:36pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 12:55pm:
This is why I think all 3rd parties should cooperate on local elections.  LP should work for the GP in the very blue districts where someone GPers are more likely to get elected than GOPers.  GPers should work for LPers in the red districts where the dems don't have a chance.  Maybe, and its a big mabye, this might get some 3rd party candidates elected to something.  Which will be good for all 3rd parties by adding legitimacy to the idea voting for 3rd parties.  Neither an LPer nor a GOPer is going to get elected in San Francisco but a GPer might, we should work together to attack the two party system.

I'm having trouble imagining me sharing a stage with some Greenie, trying to convince people there is an alternative to the TwoParties.

In fact I would never do it. It's a horrible idea. What it would devolve into would be about property rights v. the health of our sacred environment or the equivalence of animal rights and human Rights.

Nobody is convinced by such arguments that either the LP or the GP is a viable alternative to the TwoParties. It just marginalizes both parties. Worse, the LP drags itself down into this stuff.

Libertarians get elected to office all the time. Maybe Greenies do too in Kalifornia. Hey you just said one could if libertarians helped out. Why would libertarians ever want to help a Greenie get elected anywhere? Are you using the "Anybody is better than Hillary" argument on behalf of a Greenie? And you want libertarians to help? Cheesy
  
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Reply #72 - Feb 2nd, 2017 at 4:41pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 12:55pm:
This is why I think all 3rd parties should cooperate on local elections.  LP should work for the GP in the very blue districts where someone GPers are more likely to get elected than GOPers.  GPers should work for LPers in the red districts where the dems don't have a chance.  Maybe, and its a big mabye, this might get some 3rd party candidates elected to something.  Which will be good for all 3rd parties by adding legitimacy to the idea voting for 3rd parties.  Neither an LPer nor a GOPer is going to get elected in San Francisco but a GPer might, we should work together to attack the two party system.

I forgot to ask, where could a Greenie help get a libertarian elected? Would they even try to help us? Hell no.
  
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Reply #73 - Feb 2nd, 2017 at 5:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 4:41pm:
I forgot to ask, where could a Greenie help get a libertarian elected? Would they even try to help us? Hell no.

Some red district in a western state, where the GOP leans more libertarian and the Dems can't get elected to dogcatcher.  They probably wouldn't help but I don't think that matters.  If you can a few of them elected in some super lefty city, it makes voting 3rd party more viable.  Maybe, I'm willing to try because the 2 party monopoly on power is one of our biggest problems. 
  
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Reply #74 - Feb 2nd, 2017 at 5:15pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Some red district in a western state, where the GOP leans more libertarian and the Dems can't get elected to dogcatcher.  They probably wouldn't help but I don't think that matters.  If you can a few of them elected in some super lefty city, it makes voting 3rd party more viable.  Maybe, I'm willing to try because the 2 party monopoly on power is one of our biggest problems. 

I have a pervasive feeling, to the point of belief, that almost all Greenies are Marxist/socialists/collectivists advocating a more powerful and better funded EPA with 10 times the number of para-military EPA Troops and even more extra-constitutional powers to seize our property and jail us.

I could be wrong.
  
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Reply #75 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 4:52pm
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The majority of voters won't believe that a LPer or a GPer is best for the "United States", and the majority of voters believe that the Dems, that aren't united with the Repubs, aren't good to vote for.  But if LPers & GPers campaign together as a united (strength in numbers), then we can prevail in 2,020 on Election Day.

Most people understand that the poisons of tobacco are bad for people's brains, but tobacco juice is an insecticide (tobacco sales must be well regulated).  As for alcohol, alcohol sales must be well regulated also.  Marijuana sales must be well regulated also.  These meaningful thoughtfully ethical regulations will save most lives.

I slightly redesigned my pmm by theoretically providing motors that rotates wooden boxes each containing a pair of the stationary magnets, and note that "fwbr" is a "four wave bridge rectifier" circuit.  Each fwbr is connected to a rechargeable battery and each battery is connected to one of those respective motors.  This pmm works the same way as previous pmm I posted diagram of.  This diagram that I posted today of that 10 magnets perpetual motion machine is an improvement.  Basically that top pair of magnets & that bottom pair of magnets magnets stay stationary while they repel those two pairs of inner magnets (those two pairs of inner magnets are each glued inside a wheeled wooden frame), and while those 2 pairs of inner magnets are being repelled, they turn those long gears that turn those other gears that turn those magnets inside coils of wire to generate electricity.  Next, those two pairs of inner magnets repel each other, and while those 2 pairs of inner magnets are being repelled, they turn those long gears that turn those other gears that turn those magnets inside coils of wire (but no electricity is generated to prevent the coils from being destroyed because of heat).  Then, that entire process repeats itself. The wheeled magnet pairs don't turn; they just keep moving back and forth.  The stationary magnet magnet pairs just get flipped 180 degrees along their long axis and attract those moving magnet pairs during rest magnetic fields improvements restoration time.  That pmm is more of a 1/3 "on" pmm and 2/3 "off" pmm; so it's on during 8 hours a day and off during remaining 16 hours a day.  That pmm is really just useful to recharge a rechargeable battery or rechargeable electrolytic capacitor; that battery or capacitor provides the main electricity.


Motor1 (flips over wooden box containing magnets 3 & 8)
|shaft|

3NS8
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3SN8

1SN7_______________|*                  N
(***)rod1=longflatgear1|**shortgear1S(coil1)(othercoil1)fwbr1
1NS7_______________|*                  9

2NS6_______________|*                  N
(***)rod1=longflatgear2|**shortgear2S(coil2)(othercoil2)fwbr2
2SN6_______________|*                  10

4SN5
(***)
4NS5

|shaft|
Motor2 (flips over wooden box containing magnets 4 & 5)
  
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Reply #76 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 5:02pm
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Build it, it won't work maybe then you'll admit that it can't.
  
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Reply #77 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 5:04pm
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Hey ahhell, explain how that pmm that I designed won't work as I explained, or let's get started making and selling duplicate versions of it.
  
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Reply #78 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 5:15pm
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Other's already have explained but how about you get started building and selling them.  When you're one of the 1%, I'll apologize and rue the day I doubted you.
  
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Reply #79 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 5:50pm
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I don't have a factory, equipment, parts, time or $ to make & sell versions of that pmm.  And those others didn't explain thoroughly enough as to why they don't theorize that my pmm functions as I've thoroughly explained.
  
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