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Re: The Deep State
Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:21pm
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For me the best evidence of a Deep State are how the following happened through the centuries:

1. The Netherlands was able to turn England from enemy to ally to help support the Dutch Golden Age asset bubble just when it was about to collapse.  (And to help defeat France which was not friendly to the Netherlands or its bubble.)

2. Britain for some strange reason got so many of its citizens slaughtered by joining World War 1 for reasons still not well understood.  And it just happened to be a time when the British asset bubble was fragile and needed the friendly US to ascend to world hegemony to help support it (and also needed Germany to be out of the running for hegemony.)

3. Indians are now one of the few major countries to have a very positive opinion of the US.  This was in large part due to the US abdicating its responsibilities for nuclear nonproliferation in the 90s by helping and encouraging India to acquire the bomb, for no apparent reason.  And it just happens to be a time when the US asset bubble is fragile and needs a future friendly imperial power to help support it (while the US is doing a good job to make sure the unfriendly China does not inherit the empire.)

So, just perhaps, the Deep State isn't even part of the state but a bunch of financiers?  (Since financiers stand to lose the most if and when an imperial bubble reaches a hard landing -- they know they will be blamed for the pain.)
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:51pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:29pm:
bumpity bump.

bumpity bump, screech, CRASH!
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:53pm
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BobK71 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:21pm:
2. Britain for some strange reason got so many of its citizens slaughtered by joining World War 1 for reasons still not well understood.

Exactly how ignorant of history are you?
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:18am
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Reply #14 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 3:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:53pm:
Exactly how ignorant of history are you?


If you have an alternative explanation for why Britain joined WW1, I'd like to hear it.
  
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Re: The Deep State
Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:32pm
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BobK71 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:21pm:
2. Britain for some strange reason got so many of its citizens slaughtered by joining World War 1 for reasons still not well understood.

First you should tell me what the "not well understood reasons" are.
Then I'll tell you why Great Britain got involved in WWI, just the pretty well understood reasons anyway. The real what was going on and the reasons behind it.

But you first.

I can't present an "alternative" explanation without knowing what your explanation is.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:40pm
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BobK71 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:21pm:
3. Indians are now one of the few major countries to have a very positive opinion of the US.  This was in large part due to the US abdicating its responsibilities for nuclear nonproliferation in the 90s by helping and encouraging India to acquire the bomb, for no apparent reason.

All these years I thought it was the U.S.S.R. that helped India get the bomb... they were after all sleeping together back then... and opposing the U.S.

India wanted the bomb because Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons at the time. Rumor has it that Pakistan still has Nukes.... that makes Indians nervous.

All of them make me nervous. Except the British. I'm OK with them having Nukes.

BTW, India set off its first nuke in 1974- you really are ignorant of all history, or too stupid to ask simple questions of internet search engines... maybe the ignorance and stupidity are connected? IDK.
  
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Re: The Deep State
Reply #17 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 2:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:40pm:
All these years I thought it was the U.S.S.R. that helped India get the bomb... they were after all sleeping together back then... and opposing the U.S.

India wanted the bomb because Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons at the time. Rumor has it that Pakistan still has Nukes.... that makes Indians nervous.

All of them make me nervous. Except the British. I'm OK with them having Nukes.

BTW, India set off its first nuke in 1974- you really are ignorant of all history, or too stupid to ask simple questions of internet search engines... maybe the ignorance and stupidity are connected? IDK.


What does any of this have to do with my narrative?  Now the part about me being ignorant and stupid I'll grant, but other than that...
  
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Re: The Deep State
Reply #18 - Nov 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm
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BobK71 wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
What does any of this have to do with my narrative?  Now the part about me being ignorant and stupid I'll grant, but other than that...

Yes, that was my point, that your "narrative" was ignorant and stupid.
  
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Re: The Deep State
Reply #19 - Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:40pm:
All these years I thought it was the U.S.S.R. that helped India get the bomb... they were after all sleeping together back then... and opposing the U.S.

India wanted the bomb because Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons at the time. Rumor has it that Pakistan still has Nukes.... that makes Indians nervous.

All of them make me nervous. Except the British. I'm OK with them having Nukes.

BTW, India set off its first nuke in 1974- you really are ignorant of all history, or too stupid to ask simple questions of internet search engines... maybe the ignorance and stupidity are connected? IDK.


Past friendships and enmity mean little for the deep state.  The Netherlands just had a war with England before turning it close ally.  Britain was with German states against France in the 18th century, and was with France against Germany after its unification.

Having the bomb only unofficially (or only in readiness) is not the same as having it openly.  There is no question the US broke protocol to help India and that India is grateful.

What do you find incorrect in this narrative?
  
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