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Reply #70 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:36pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
How so?

You imagine the helmsman controls the Captain who controls the Owners of the ship? No, you know better.

The helmsman directs the ship to where the Owners want the ship to go.

The owners of the ship are sipping piña coladas in Barbados.  The Captain is asleep in his quarters.

Don't mess with my metaphors, ok?
  
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Reply #71 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:00pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
The owners of the ship are sipping piña coladas in Barbados.  The Captain is asleep in his quarters.

Don't mess with my metaphors, ok?

I was simply pointing out that the helmsman is not in charge of the ship. If a helmsman guides a ship somewhere other than where the Owners want the ship to go, the helmsman is guilty of piracy at the worst. The Captain, as the paid agent of the Owners, is obligated to have the helmsman follow orders and has the authority to detain the helmsman in irons if necessary.
  
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Reply #72 - Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
I was simply pointing out that the helmsman is not in charge of the ship. If a helmsman guides a ship somewhere other than where the Owners want the ship to go, the helmsman is guilty of piracy at the worst. The Captain, as the paid agent of the Owners, is obligated to have the helmsman follow orders and has the authority to detain the helmsman in irons if necessary.

You're over-thinking it again.  My metaphor doesn't involve Maritime Law.   The explanation is mostly mechanical.

The helmsman is holding the ship's wheel. If the helmsman turns the wheel to the right or the left, the servo actuates hydraulic pumps which increase/decrease the hydraulic pressure to the port/starboard steering rams. The steering rams are connected tho the rudder yoke, so when the steering rams move, the rudder moves with them accordingly.

So a 160-pound man can change the course of a 8000-ton ship with amazingly little effort. He may not have the authority to change the ship's course, but he certainly has the power.

With minimal effort, the banks can influence governmental policy without having the formal authority to do so.   
  
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Reply #73 - Feb 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
He may not have the authority to change the ship's course, but he certainly has the power.

With minimal effort, the banks can influence governmental policy without having the formal authority to do so.   

In exactly the same way that the helmsman is bound to follow orders, the Federal Reserve and other Federally Regulated banks are bound to follow orders.

Banks that don't do what their government masters demand are often "nationalized". Of course the Federal Reserve Bank was "nationalized" upon its creation... It has never been anything but a creature of our government. A law of Congress brought it into the world.
  
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Reply #74 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:38am
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Reply #75 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
In exactly the same way that the helmsman is bound to follow orders, the Federal Reserve and other Federally Regulated banks are bound to follow orders.


LOL.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  The Federeal Reserve takes orders from nobody.  They have no oversight.  None.  Who did you think gave order to the Federal Reserve?

Please don't say Congress. Congress has the power to disband the Fed, but they certainly don't issue any orders or have any influence whatsoever.
  
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Reply #76 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:11pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
LOL.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  The Federeal Reserve takes orders from nobody.

Congress enacted the law that established the Federal Reserve Bank, and Congress can undo what it did.

The folks at the Fed should be aware of that... How could they not be? Where would the Fed be if Congress took away their Congressionaly granted power to create money and hand it out to their buddies?

Do the people at the Fed want to keep getting rich and wielding vast powers? Probably.

If they do, they had better please their political masters, the people who can remove all of the powers they gave to the Fed, Congress.
  
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Reply #77 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:48am
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http://thecrux.com/will-private-property-disappear-in-our-lifetimes/

"...the finance arm of the deep state". Bill Bonner

  
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Reply #78 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:50am
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Re: The Deep State
Reply #79 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:59am
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Congress is both fearful of and grateful to the Fed.  Congress is like a superstitious tribe on an island that thinks that the fresh water that comes from a spring is a gift from the gods.  The last thing they would do is offend the gods by attempting to trace the source or dig around to see how the spring actually works.

Look at Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" idea that went nowhere fast.
  
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