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The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:41am
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From the planet money podcast, I highly recommend it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/10/04/162242657/romney-and-obama-vs-our-f...

1.  Eliminate deductions edit to add, especially the mortgage deduction and treat health care and other employer provided benefits as income.
2.  Eliminate corporate deductions income taxes
3.  Eliminate income and payroll taxes in favor of consumption      taxes, makes #1 redundant.
4.  A carbon tax
5.  Legalize marijuana


I expect the only thing controversial here is the Carbon tax.   Would you vote for a candidate who's platform included all of these Items?

I would, any one of the list would be an improvement over our current system.
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:41am:
 Would you vote for a candidate who's platform included all of these Items?

Of course not. Serious candidates for my vote must strongly advocate the rule of law and Constitutional taxation.

Who gives a crap what candidates say if, once elected, they have the power to levy idiotic nonsense like "carbon taxes"?

Jeez, Woodrow Wilson campaigned on the promise of keeping us out of Europe's wars. How did that work out?

BTW, WTF is a "consumption" tax? Please explain it according to your understanding. Thanks.
  
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:49pm
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Any form of tax that is levied on what you consume(spend).

Examples:
Value added tax.
  If I understand it correctly, a business is taxed on the difference of between what they spend to by raw materials and labor and their revenue.  If you sell icecream cones at 1.50 each and they cost you 1 to make, your tax is some percentage of the .5 difference. 

Sales tax, Pretty sure you know what that is.

Expenditure tax(direct consumption)
individuals file a tax return including their income and savings over the year.  Your taxed on some percentage of the difference.  The difference being assumed as your savings.  If you keep money under your mattress, its considered consumption. 

Consumption tax is a pretty common term, I'm surprised you don't know what it is.  Frankly, I don't think I can take you seriously.  How would have society deal with pollution?
  
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 4:57pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:49pm:
Any form of tax that is levied on what you consume(spend).

Examples:
Value added tax.

I'm not spending any money on raw materials to produce automotive engine blocks, but I will have to pay an increased price for a car if the car manufacturer is taxed on the raw materials necessary to cast their engine blocks. Etc. etc.

I think this is one of the worst 'progressive' ideas for sucking the blood from working people ever dreamed up.

It's not a new idea. It's being done in the world today. Why do you like it?
  
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:01pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:49pm:
Any form of tax that is levied on what you consume(spend).

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If you keep money under your mattress, its considered consumption. 

Consumption tax is a pretty common term, I'm surprised you don't know what it is.  Frankly, I don't think I can take you seriously. 

You are having trouble taking me seriously?

If I let the produce in my garden rot, will that also be considered "consumption"?

Are you crappity smacking serious?
  
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:37pm
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I think that we can agree to a consumption tax of some sorts like:

1, a 30% federal flat tax on gambling via internet and a 20% federal flat tax on Quick Pick of sales of numbers games tickets but not of person's' picks of numbers of numbers games because Quick Pick is based on numbers selected by computers at random and random is defined as chance and chance is defined as not planned in advance, I mean you wouldn't want your body parts randomly positioned nor would you want infrastructure & buildings & schools & homes and vehicles randomly positioned or the parts of all of them randomly positioned;

2, e-cigarettes & cigars & chewing tobacco & medicinal marijuana ($1.00 per 0.5 kilograms) & alcohol beverages ($1 per 0.5 liters) & plastic & paper shopping bags that are usually trashed ($1 per each of those bags, personally I think those bags must be outlawed and people must use reusable bags made from goat silk;

3, 25 cents per one centimeter diameter cardboard or paperboard or styrofoam box that gets trashed such as a carryout pizza box/sandwich box & 5 cents per each plastic fork & plastic knife & plastic spoon & paper napkin & styrofoam plate & styrofoam cup & paper cup & paper plate;

Note that I'm not trying to hurt the poor with such consumption taxes, but when people purchase stuff to trash so much, then said people are taking materials away from being made for reusable products that could theoretically be resold many times to create wealth for people including poor people.

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm
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Taxation for the purpose of punishing a particular behavior is Socialism.  It is wrong.  Everything you just proposed is wrong. Holy Cow.

  
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Taxation for the purpose of punishing a particular behavior is Socialism.
I don't see how it is socialism, but it is obviously wrong.

What's the Bozo you used for illustration supposed to be?
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:13pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
I don't see how it is socialism, but it is obviously wrong.


Its how they do things in Commifornia.  The lefties dont like people who smoke cigarettes or cigars, so they vote for massive tobacco taxes to discourage people from smoking. The  monies are supposed to fund anti-smoking ads, but its found that less than 23% of these funds actually are used for this purpose. Where the remaining 77% of the money collected goes is debatable.

Also, another socialist State, Massachusetts, has the same problem with over-taxation without representation. Which is ironic since they were the ones protesting excessive taxes by throwing crates of tea into Boston Harbor!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/07/15/massachusetts-cigarette-...

And there is the Gas Tax.  The lefties don't like folks who drive cars unless its a Prius. Commiefornia consumers currently pay 71 cents/gallon in taxes. That's the highest gas tax rate in the nation. 

Commiefornians must pay $125 per incoming firearm, + the California DROS fee ($25), so $150 bullshit tax on every firearm sold. The lefties HATE gun owners. They would shoot all of us if it weren't illegal to do so.

Taxes are used as a tool to modify individuals behavior. The knuckleheads in Sacramento learned about this decades ago.
  
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Re: The Planet Money Presidential Platform
Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2017 at 8:40am
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:13pm:
Its how they do things in Commifornia.  The lefties dont like people who smoke cigarettes or cigars, so they vote for massive tobacco taxes to discourage people from smoking.

What do authoritarian actions like this have to do with "socialism"?
  
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