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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #130 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 7:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 2nd, 2017 at 5:38pm:
And that's one of the reasons why Europe is in such a collossal fiancial mess. Re-distribution of wealth is a bad idea, no matter which language is being spoken. Europe is a terrible economic model. The European oligarchy is self-appointed. They don't answer to anyone but themselves.

Here are some superior economic models;

The World Economic Forum (WEF) ranks Switzerland #1 followed by Singapore, then US is #3.

edit: If corporations didn't distribute earnings amongst their shareholders, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SHAREHOLDERS. 


economic models don't help the people, they help corporations. You need to be more concerned with standards of living.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/countries-with-the-highest-standard-of-li...

What do these 12 countries have in common?

Finland
Canada
Denmark
Australia
Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Netherlands
United Kingdom
Iceland
New Zealand
Ireland

They're the world's leading countries in social progress. You assholes didn't even make the cut.

  
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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #131 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 9:01pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 2nd, 2017 at 7:33pm:
What do these 12 countries have in common?

Finland
Canada
Denmark
Australia
Switzerland
Sweden
Norway
Netherlands
United Kingdom
Iceland
New Zealand
Ireland

They're the world's leading countries in social progress. You assholes didn't even make the cut.

The countries you listed are all Progressive countries. It shouldn't surprise you to learn that these countries have the highest tax/wealth re-distribution rates in the world! 

You Progressives call it "social progress".  Very well.  Americans should be thankful the US didn't make the cut for the top-12 Progressive countries. I know I am.  Smiley
  
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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #132 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 11:50am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 2nd, 2017 at 9:01pm:
The countries you listed are all Progressive countries. It shouldn't surprise you to learn that these countries have the highest tax/wealth re-distribution rates in the world! 

You Progressives call it "social progress".  Very well.  Americans should be thankful the US didn't make the cut for the top-12 Progressive countries. I know I am.  Smiley


Well imagine that! They're all what you call progressives. And you turn thumbs down on their success. Just as if you can make it out to be a bad thing!

In truth, you have been brainwashed to uphold your American way even as it is failing the the entire country's poor and middle class are close to revolution to fix it. LOL

It's what can be expected of a libertarian who used to sing the praises of the American way and no longer does. Except that instead of turning to the left and socially responsible capitalism, the libertarian turns to an imaginary solution with a dogma of no possible hope for the future.

this is what I'm here to tell you chief! This is the truth that some day you won't be able to turn away from.
  
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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #133 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 1:28pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
Well imagine that! They're all what you call progressives. And you turn thumbs down on their success. Just as if you can make it out to be a bad thing!

I honestly don't mean to. If Progressivism works for you, then embrace it and rejoice.  Sincerely.

Progressivism is bad for Americans because we feel that our wealth is our property.  We feel that WE can decide how our wealth is spent and distributed. The government has no right to take our wealth or property.

I make modest donations to various organizations.  I would make far more generous donations if the Federal and State governments didn't confiscate 40% of my wealth!

That's why Progressivism doesn't work for us.  How can we donate to a worthy cause if the government takes away our discretionary wealth?  Many americans live paycheck-to-paycheck.  60% of Americans have less than $500 in savings for emergencies!!!

If income taxes were eliminated, each household would have over $11k of "discretionary money" to spend on whatever they choose.

Libertarian motto is:

"Tax consumption, not production"  —  "Tax goods, not people."
  
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Reply #134 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 3:37pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
Well imagine that! They're all what you call progressives. And you turn thumbs down on their success. Just as if you can make it out to be a bad thing!


Well it's certainly not good for everyone.

If we're going to define good as morally correct, then good is simply a matter of what principles the beholder puts first. There are thousands of moral principles on Earth and there is no agreement about how to order and prioritise them, even if we agree that all are valid.

If we're going to define good as advantageous, then for the people hurt by a policy, it is not good, and there is no policy so good that it advantages everyone without harming anyone.

So let us take as a given that progressive policies hurt the least people and help the best most people.

Gun control is an excellent example with this assumption. People are saved, and very few actually prefer their gun to their life.

However, for any given population of humans there will be that small segment - some will prefer their gun to their life. Even if that person is saved, the policy harms him. We can't let him simply make the trade - his life for his gun - because the fact that he is walking around with a gun for whatever time we decide to give him infringes upon the rights of others to live in the safer society as it invalidates the safer society.

What would not be out of the question is for him and those who think like him to live alone on some island, provided we have infinite deserted islands to place those who are ideologically dangerous. If he and his are happy with this arrangement - the added danger for the added freedom - then he is hurt by the gun control policy in a way that is nonparasitical.

In other words, he doesn't insist upon the safer world and demand that he has a gun anyway; it's a trade he genuinely is willing to make.

If an entire country is filled with people who want this trade, and who prefer the guns to the added lifespan they get out of safety, in what way is a gun control policy good? Isn't it good for there to be some areas with gun control and some without, so whosoever likes their gun more than their life can live among those who are their way of thinking?

Americans are not the world majority. So yes, the progressive policies (as we have already laid out as a given) are the best for the most people. What does it hurt the world if there is one place for people who are harmed by the progressive policy to live together?
  

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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #135 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 10:10pm
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'Social progress' is enslavement.

'Social justice' is injustice.
  
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Reply #136 - Jun 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm
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Jeff wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:08am:
http://thecrux.com/the-retail-industry-is-at-its-breaking-point/

(I don't offer articles like this as investment advice, but as commentary on political economy.)


Sorry for being unclear, "you" referred to the government.
  
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Reply #137 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:43am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 3:37pm:
If an entire country is filled with people who want this trade, and who prefer the guns to the added lifespan they get out of safety, in what way is a gun control policy good? Isn't it good for there to be some areas with gun control and some without, so whosoever likes their gun more than their life can live among those who are their way of thinking?

Having gun-control areas scattered among non-gun control areas would be too confusing for most folks. Especially intra State. Can you see the potential snafus that are bound to happen?

James Guntoter is on the way to his brother's ranch to help him install a new scope rail for his 30.06 sport rifle. James must drive through a "gun-free-zone" to get there.  While in the no-gun area, he is pulled over for a burned out tail-light on his pickup truck.  While writing the fix-it ticket, the officer sees the gun rack in the window of his pick-up and arrests Guntoter on weapons possession charges, which is a felony in the state.

Guntoter calls brother from jail.  "You're not gonna believe this, but I'm in jail....."
  
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Re: The Trump Economy
Reply #138 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:25pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:43am:
Having gun-control areas scattered among non-gun control areas would be too confusing for most folks. Especially intra State. Can you see the potential snafus that are bound to happen?


Yes. Which is why if he agreed that it was at least sound on paper, I was going to suggest that we don't really need to divvy up America in this way because the world is already suchly divided; some areas have gun rights and some do not. Some areas choose rights, and some select safety.

The only way this arrangement would upset you is if you wanted the greater freedom for yourself and the greater impositions on others.
  

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Reply #139 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 10:34pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:25pm:
...some areas have gun rights and some do not. Some areas choose rights, and some select safety.

Can't you see how flawed this premise is? Your "safety" is a fantasy.  What you consider a "safe" zone where no guns are allowed, I consider the most hazardous place to be.  The best locale for a bad person who wants to harm "soft" targets is a place where people lack the will (and/or the means) to defend themselves.

Bad people prey on the defenseless.
  
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