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Is there really a "Deep State"?
Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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How would we know? It's all "Secret".

Since it's classified by our government as "Secret", there is no evidence of this "Deep State" shit.

Therefore, it doesn't exist.

America's Constitutional government is totally transparent!

Anyone can see that the Department of Whatever is living the High Life at our expense.

We are used to it.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 8:32am
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 9:53am
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The Obama administration was said to have favored the Arab Spring movement which led to the overthrow of dictator Hosni Mubarak in Egypt in 2011, among other things.

In the first democratic election in Egypt's history Dr. Mohamed Morsi's Freedom and Justice Party won a solid majority in
Egypt's parliament. 

Several months later General Abdul Fatah al-Sisi overthrew the elected parliament and Dr. Morsi, who had received his PhD in electrical conductivity from the University of Southern California was arrested, and still remains in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi

US CENTCOM (Central Command in the Mid-East) probably aided and abetted the military coup, but in any case the Egyptian generals continued to receive millions of dollars in US military aid during the coup and still get millions.

This seems very similar to Operation Ajax in Iran in 1953 in which the CIA and British MI 6 overthrew the only democratic Muslim government in the Mid-East of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh.

Some powers in the US apparently wanted to restore a pro-US dictatorship in Egypt.

Call them the secret police, "the intelligence community," the Deep State or simply the establishment, but it was not the US Commander-in-Chief and his administration.

The establishment's disinformation campaign is in full swing now, and it is questionable whether Trump will be able to promote détente with Russia even if he can get Congress to go along with him.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:23am
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Good information, Tom.

Also, the US seems strangely averse to the establishment of any regime that is both stable and Islamist and/or anti-West, even though in many Muslim countries the only potential regimes that can possibly be stable are anti-West Islamist.

So what we have are either unstable pro-Western regimes propped up by the US (according to one survey 95% of Saudis don't want their regime,) or anti-West regimes being actively destabilized by the US (Qaddafi, Assad, and Iraq under Maliki.)  If this creates a lot of suffering for the locals, it's their problem.

Afghanistan is the most brutal example of this.  The US prevented the formation of a stable and united government both after the defeat of the pro-Soviet regime and after that of the Taliban post-9/11, both times guaranteeing continued war.

Iran is one-of-a-kind in this sense.  Even if it doesn't bother anyone besides acquiring nukes (that both Israel and the US have for retaliation anyway) it might eventually be messed with.

It requires an understanding of the dynamics of imperial-financial bubbles to believe that a country like the US is morally capable of creating this kind of consequences.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
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Tom Palven wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 9:53am:
Call them the secret police, "the intelligence community," the Deep State or simply the establishment, but it was not the US Commander-in-Chief and his administration.

Obama was just a fool and a tool? I thought as much.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
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BobK71 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:23am:
Also, the US seems strangely averse to the establishment of any regime that is both stable and Islamist and/or anti-West, even though in many Muslim countries the only potential regimes that can possibly be stable are anti-West Islamist.

You have some examples of these "stable" Islamist governments? Cheesy
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:49pm
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BobK71 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:23am:
Afghanistan is the most brutal example of this.  The US prevented the formation of a stable and united government...
In Afghanistan? A stable and united government would have appeared if we had just stayed out of the way? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I assume it would have been one of those barbarian Islamist governments that are "stable", as for instance... Well, you tell me.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
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BobK71 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:23am:
Iran is one-of-a-kind in this sense.  Even if it doesn't bother anyone besides acquiring nukes...
That would be nice.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
You have some examples of these "stable" Islamist governments? Cheesy


That is the point I was making.  There are basically none besides Iran.
  
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Re: Is there really a "Deep State"?
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BobK71 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
That is the point I was making.  There are basically none besides Iran.
So the only current "stable" Islamist government is Iran's, and they are committed to annihilating Israel...
  
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