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Reply #100 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:41pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
When Oppo delivers the smackdown he's so well known for, try not to go completely berserk.
I'm not looking for a "smackdown", just an explanation from the lizard of where the Rights he believes in come from.
  
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Reply #101 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:51pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I'm not looking for a "smackdown", just an explanation from the lizard of where the Rights he believes in come from.


Good! As long as you're blathering back and forth with him that keeps you off the streets and less likely to screw up every conversation.
  
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Reply #102 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 7:04pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Good! As long as you're blathering back and forth with him that keeps you off the streets and less likely to screw up every conversation.
It's not been blathering much to me lately, so I'll just keep trolling along with you and kaz until it does.
  
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Reply #103 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:32pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I'm not looking for a "smackdown", just an explanation from the lizard of where the Rights he believes in come from.


If you believe in god, god.

If you don't, then rights just are.

http://www.crf-usa.org/foundations-of-our-constitution/natural-rights.html
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Locke wrote that all individuals are equal in the sense that they are born with certain "inalienable" natural rights. That is, rights that are God-given and can never be taken or even given away. Among these fundamental natural rights, Locke said, are "life, liberty, and property."

Locke believed that the most basic human law of nature is the preservation of mankind. To serve that purpose, he reasoned, individuals have both a right and a duty to preserve their own lives. Murderers, however, forfeit their right to life since they act outside the law of reason.

Locke also argued that individuals should be free to make choices about how to conduct their own lives as long as they do not interfere with the liberty of others. Locke therefore believed liberty should be far-reaching.


I agree that what Locke says about rights is true.
  

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Reply #104 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:08am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:32pm:
If you believe in god, god.

If you don't, then rights just are.

http://www.crf-usa.org/foundations-of-our-constitution/natural-rights.html

I agree that what Locke says about rights is true.
So you believe that every human is born with Natural Human Rights.

All you have to do to have them is admit to being human and not in prison.
  
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Reply #105 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 4:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:08am:
So you believe that every human is born with Natural Human Rights.

All you have to do to have them is admit to being human and not in prison.


And in Nazi Germany, all I would have to do to have rights is say I'm not a Jew.

I don't want 'em if I have to say the right things to have them.
  

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Reply #106 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 4:21pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 4:10pm:
And in Nazi Germany, all I would have to do to have rights is say I'm not a Jew.

I don't want 'em if I have to say the right things to have them.
You claim to be an animal then, but want to be recognized as having  human rights? That's fine. Just act human and everybody will respect your human rights.
  
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Reply #107 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:09pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 4:21pm:
You claim to be an animal then, but want to be recognized as having human rights?


I have never claimed to be any extant non-human animal, but humans are animals, which makes it difficult to reply to your claim without falling into the trap you've presumably set.

I remember half-jokingly suggesting that I was a dragon, which, if it existed, would be an animal (rather than a plant or a mushroom). Same goes for Vulcans, who are technically not only animals but actually humans, since they can breed with them. Come to think of it, I'm never going to suggest I'm a Vulcan again. That's too close to human for my tastes.

I just said I didn't want rights if I have to say the right things to get them.

Jeff wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 4:21pm:
That's fine. Just act human and everybody will respect your human rights.


You mean scream and insult for the easy win like everyone else here does? No thanks.

Just FYI, when I half-jokingly claim not to be human, this is why.
  

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Reply #108 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 8:31am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:09pm:
I have never claimed to be any extant non-human animal...
No, you fancy yourself as a Dragon who farts fire.
  
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Reply #109 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 8:35am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:09pm:
Just FYI, when I half-jokingly claim not to be human, this is why.
You are fully serious in your belief that your "intellect" is superhuman.

Just act human and people will generally respect your rights as a human. Libertarians will anyway, and the classical liberals. Authoritarians of all stripes will continue to deny you the exercise of whichever of your rights interfere with them taking power and keeping it.
  
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