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Reply #90 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 5:53pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
You're like Jeff that you can't be honest.
I am honest about this issue to the best of my knowledge, and you haven't taught me anything.

When the Democrats from slave states managed to get a "compromise" enacted into law that said territories applying for Statehood could use "democratic" means to determine if the new State would be slave or Free, Abolitionists started sending arms to Kansas and Missouri and taking up arms and going themselves.

That was the real start of the civil war.

The "democratic" means involved denying the vote to anyone who wasn't a white adult male.

Are those people really the one's you like?
  

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Reply #91 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:32pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
It proclaimed the slaves in a foreign nation to be free. Even if you think the rebellious states were still part of the Union, Lincoln had no power to free them.


So have you changed your mind about your support for Lincoln's starting an undeclared war against a foreign nation or do you support U.S. invasions of foreign countries to bring about regime change and a new social order?


  

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Reply #92 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:31pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:32pm:
So have you changed your mind about your support for Lincoln's starting an undeclared war against a foreign nation or do you support U.S. invasions of foreign countries to bring about regime change and a new social order?




US invasion of foreign nations?

Come on back to the real world of the 21st. century burnsred.
  
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Reply #93 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:40pm
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US invasion of foreign nations?

Come on back to the real world of the 21st. century burnsred.


The problem is that the South was supposed to have the right to secede - declare itself autonomous. If you follow through with respecting only the rights they were granted by the Constitution, they were a foreign nation.

Obviously slavery is wrong but that's a separate issue. It also makes it a very complicated issue because we generally accept that we shouldn't simply attack every foreign nation that does wrong.

You're the one who takes America to task for doing this, and you're right to do so.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #94 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
The problem is that the South was supposed to have the right to secede - declare itself autonomous. If you follow through with respecting only the rights they were granted by the Constitution, they were a foreign nation.

Obviously slavery is wrong but that's a separate issue. It also makes it a very complicated issue because we generally accept that we shouldn't simply attack every foreign nation that does wrong.

You're the one who takes America to task for doing this, and you're right to do so.


If you examine all Don's posts, the only consistency is that he's ALWAYS for the Democrat party.  That's never the justification he gives, but his positions are 100% in their favor
  

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Reply #95 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:09pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:02pm:
If you examine all Don's posts, the only consistency is that he's ALWAYS for the Democrat party.  That's never the justification he gives, but his positions are 100% in their favor


No, the Democrat party in the US is just as corrupt as the other one. But they definitely at least speak my political views. Acting accordingly is something totally different.

With the exception of Obama who both spoke and acted on his views. Had he not been prevented from doing the good he intended, he would have been on of the US's best presidents ever.

Already that is. In a very few years he will be recognized as perhaps the best and most socially responsible the US has ever had.

Now let's keep it straight in your head from now on pig. You've already admitted you were completely wrong and fuked up with my position on Russia.
  
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Reply #96 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:17am
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Little Big Man wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:32pm:
So have you changed your mind about your support for Lincoln's starting an undeclared war against a foreign nation or do you support U.S. invasions of foreign countries to bring about regime change and a new social order?


Lincoln called it a Rebellion.

The slavers claimed to have created a new nation, concieved in slavery and dedicated to the proposition that black people were really livestock.
  

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Reply #97 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:27am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
The problem is that the South was supposed to have the right to secede - declare itself autonomous. If you follow through with respecting only the rights they were granted by the Constitution, they were a foreign nation.

Obviously slavery is wrong but that's a separate issue. It also makes it a very complicated issue because we generally accept that we shouldn't simply attack every foreign nation that does wrong.

You're the one who takes America to task for doing this, and you're right to do so.
People disagree about the right of states to leave the Union, but there is no doubt that the reason slave states seceded was to preserve and extend the institution of slavery, and unless they intended to extend the CSA into Mexico, the only other place they could extend slavery into was U.S. Territory, something they were already fighting to do before they seceded.

I don't see how that has anything to do with things like "progressive" plans to annex Cuba and Costa Rica and Haiti, all of which were considered in the period just after the War to End Slavery in America. And not by Lincoln or Grant.
  

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Reply #98 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:31am
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AlayneLeung wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 10:26am:
Don_G, about having magic taught in schools, I recommend that you watch TV episodes of:
1, Masters of Illusion
2, Princess Tenko
3, Penn and Teller: Fool Us.
Back on topic, I see no reason why people wanting to learn to be magicians shouldn't be able to go to a trade school that teaches magic tricks. If there is enough demand, someone wil start such a school. Maybe they already exist.
  

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Re: freeing school
Reply #99 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:17am:
Lincoln called it a Rebellion.

The slavers claimed to have created a new nation, concieved in slavery and dedicated to the proposition that black people were really livestock.


Right, I know what Lincoln called it and what the C.S. called it.

What do you call the U.S. invasion of the C.S. and do you support it?


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