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Reply #290 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 8:38pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
That or they'll realise they can't enforce on everybody. The jails would not hold everyone who illegally downloads! Forget about the elites. You've called Bob a paranoid idiot like twenty times just for using the term.
Get control of yourself or buy your Mom a gun....

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Reply #291 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 9:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Get control of yourself or buy your Mom a gun....

My preference is that you learn to control your potentially useful mind... But it's strictly up to you.


See, you understand I have quite an intellect. You can see that. Now you suggest I ought to be doing something with it that I'm not already doing. But no one knows what you want anyway. I already follow every libertarian principle.
  

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Reply #292 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:29am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
See, you understand I have quite an intellect. You can see that.
I take it back. I was mistaken. Your potentially useful mind is ruined beyond hope of recovery.
  
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Reply #293 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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istandwithrand wrote on Apr 10th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
I am a moderate libertarian and I definitely agree that taxes should be minimized. But I saw a good video talking about the argument that taxation is theft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aHlUI8jSLE Basically he saying that if taxation is theft, then why does the thief then give us a say (voting) in how the money is spent? I think he makes a valid point. What are your thoughts?


It's pretty elementary but it's at least a rational question that can be discussed here.

Elementary in that everybody wants taxation to be minimized in some respect. While probably increasing taxation in some other respect to make up for the shortfall created. Ruling out taxation that is abusive and wasteful of course. This isn't brain surgery so let's discuss it.
  
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Reply #294 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:55pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
It's pretty elementary but it's at least a rational question that can be discussed here.

Elementary in that everybody wants taxation to be minimized in some respect. While probably increasing taxation in some other respect to make up for the shortfall created. Ruling out taxation that is abusive and wasteful of course. This isn't brain surgery so let's discuss it.


Socialists solve that problem by deciding that everyone who earns what you do should be minimally taxed and everyone who earns more should get hammered through progressive rates
  

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Reply #295 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 4:56pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:55pm:
Socialists solve that problem by deciding that everyone who earns what you do should be minimally taxed and everyone who earns more should get hammered through progressive rates

Yes, that's true for sure. The 'progressives' also figured out that destroying the value of our money gave them lots of power and kept pushing people earning minimum amounts into ever higher tax brackets through inflation.

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Reply #296 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 3:13pm
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They only give you the notion that you decide where that money will be spent. If someone mugs you in the middle of the night, hold you at gun point and takes your money and then says: What do you think I should spend this money on? does it automatically not make it theft? It is no secret that taxes are not used in an efficient manner, and many times is not even used for what you voted for, corruption is the clearest of examples. So, I do not believe arguing that getting to vote on how they use the money they took away from you somehow makes it ok to take that money in the first place.
  
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Reply #297 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 3:18pm
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picado wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
They only give you the notion that you decide where that money will be spent. If someone mugs you in the middle of the night, hold you at gun point and takes your money and then says: What do you think I should spend this money on? does it automatically not make it theft? It is no secret that taxes are not used in an efficient manner, and many times is not even used for what you voted for, corruption is the clearest of examples. So, I do not believe arguing that getting to vote on how they use the money they took away from you somehow makes it ok to take that money in the first place.


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Re: Is Taxation Theft?
Reply #298 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 5:28pm
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picado wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
They only give you the notion that you decide where that money will be spent. If someone mugs you in the middle of the night, hold you at gun point and takes your money and then says: What do you think I should spend this money on? does it automatically not make it theft? It is no secret that taxes are not used in an efficient manner, and many times is not even used for what you voted for, corruption is the clearest of examples. So, I do not believe arguing that getting to vote on how they use the money they took away from you somehow makes it ok to take that money in the first place.


It's all to do with good government picado. Your complaints are valid because US government is corrupt. In  Canada we accept taxation as necessary for the efficient functioning of the country.

Welcome to the forum. You'll find that if you're polite and able to debate without insulting others, there can be worthwhile discussions here. If not then you will fit in with the majority.
  
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Re: Is Taxation Theft?
Reply #299 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 5:38pm
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picado wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
They only give you the notion that you decide where that money will be spent.
Lucky me, I was never taught that particular delusion about our government.

Perhaps because there are strict limits on what it (it being revenue asshole) can be used for? And strict limits of law and legal process controlling it all... Especially the legal methods of collection? Wow!

Far out! Constitutional law.... No more theft by "The Law of the Royal Sovereign" (you know, the Party... shh Undecided) and redistribution to whoever, whatever purpose the Sovereign (the Party, shh Undecided) sees fit...

The People's House in America has control of all taxing and spending...

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How cool is that? Cool
  
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