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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #10 - May 6th, 2017 at 4:55pm
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stevea wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 8:40am:
No - the constitution was written as an agreement between states, but it slowly devolved into a direct relationship between federal government and citizens, and more recently it is entirely ignored.
Yes. Our national government for a very long time has been operating outside the law.

Lots of people like it because the government (operating outside the law) benefits them.

The rest of us pay for those special benefits that not everyone gets.
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #11 - May 6th, 2017 at 4:57pm
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stevea wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 8:40am:
Also Congress/IRS is free to interpret "income" as anything they choose.  Money you pay in taxes or mortgage is magically not-income.   Interest you get on a bond or loan IS-income, unless it's a government bond, then not-income.   If you make a profit (capital gain) on a trade - that IS-income.  The social security "insurance" you get back is/is-not-income depending on how much other "income" you have.  They aren't just defining and taxing "income", they have created a means...

...to levy a Constitutionally Direct tax without apportioning it, thus causing widespread damage to our system of government and our Liberty.

And as you say, they have done it by definition alone.

Logically, using critical thinking, it is obvious that reality, the substance and effect of the actual tax, are not changed at all by the definition of terms.

It's simply not possible to change reality by re-defining things.
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #12 - May 6th, 2017 at 6:56pm
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 4:53pm:
Just saying my statement was a "FAIL" without any explanation is very rude and ignorant.


You schooling people about not simply deeming arguments invalid feels rather hollow. You do it without even citing anything.
  

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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #13 - May 7th, 2017 at 9:31am
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The Opposition wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
You schooling people about not simply deeming arguments invalid feels rather hollow. You do it without even citing anything.
FAIL! You provide no evidence for this claim.
  
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Reply #14 - May 7th, 2017 at 6:06pm
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Jeff wrote on May 7th, 2017 at 9:31am:
FAIL! You provide no evidence for this claim.


Anyone who has been on this forum a month knows you do it.
  

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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #15 - May 7th, 2017 at 6:24pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 7th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Anyone who has been on this forum a month knows you do it.
Of course. Anybody with half a rational mind can see immediately that I do it.
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #16 - May 10th, 2017 at 8:02pm
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Corpax1 wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
I thought this was a thought provoking concept taken from "Tale of a Slave" in Anarchy, State, and Utopia. It looks at the IRS as a means of pushing us into servitude.

If we keep scaling down the brutish nature of historic slavery, we get to where we are today. The government is a twisted "benevolent" force for all of us lowly serfs, only allowing us to keep the fruits of our labor to an extent it deems acceptable.

Tale of a Slave: The IRS Is Your Master


You're indoctrinated into accepting your country's system right from the cradle and you are incapable of escaping it or changing it. There's a very good reason you have all those flags flying 'in your face' wherever you go.

It was attempted in Canada quite a few years ago when the government sent everybody a flag if you asked. For free! It showed signs of success very quickly but it was abandoned and never renewed by the next government. It was a close call for our country.

Take all those flags down from the porches of America and it will bring about some change all by itself.
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #17 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:18am
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Don_G wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 8:02pm:
You're indoctrinated into accepting your country's system right from the cradle and you are incapable of escaping it or changing it. There's a very good reason you have all those flags flying 'in your face' wherever you go.



As a matter of fact, it's been some time since our schools taught children anything at all about our Constitutional system of government... It's a serious problem.

Why do all the 'protesters' wear red shirts and wave red flags? Because they've been indoctrinated?
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #18 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:44am
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
It's simply not possible to change reality by re-defining things.

I agree 100%.

So what is the remedy?  I like Ron Paul's solution:

Abolish the IRS.
  
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Re: Does the IRS turn us into slave-like citizens?
Reply #19 - May 11th, 2017 at 1:30pm
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Jeff wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 9:18am:
As a matter of fact, it's been some time since our schools taught children anything at all about our Constitutional system of government... It's a serious problem.

Why do all the 'protesters' wear red shirts and wave red flags? Because they've been indoctrinated?


I didn't know that about the schools but I'll accept it with caution because you haven't proven yourself to be reliable to me yet.

If it's true then it's likely for a good reason. There's been far too much phony fallback on the constitution in order to make points that are mostly invalid in the 21st. century. It's not a good idea to teach children how to do that. Much better they use their mental faculties and make their point based on the reality of the times.

Lead that where you like, or just accept it. Take it to gun control for example and don't let anybody declare it off-topic because it doesn't suit their fantasies.
  
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