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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:38pm
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Don_G wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
So what now libertarian? You've told me that absolute rights have reasonable and lawful limits.


No, you misread what I wrote.  Here's what I actually wrote:

"Absolute right means just that - absolute.  Absolute means without reasonable and lawful limits."


Don_G wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
Like I said, you have no absolute rights. you just wish you did and imagine it so.

You are delusional. Everybody who is capable of drawing a breath has Absolute (natural) Rights. I have decisively proven that.

Your denial of that fact doesn't nullify my assertion.
  
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Reply #21 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:40pm
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Don_G wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Hs SkyChief erred in that which he has told me? Or are you happy to go down with him. Where did he go astray?


I'll try to stop you from tossing the Chief out of a helicopter...

Where do you think the Chief "went astray"?
  
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Reply #22 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:43pm
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Don_G wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Then fill your boots pal. Maybe you want to defend SkyChief who's now actually granted me the very words I was needing to make my point.


Your human emulation is fairly good.  You must have lived among them for quite a while.  When did they send you to Canada?
  
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Reply #23 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:45pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
No, you misread what I wrote.  Here's what I actually wrote:

"Absolute right means just that - absolute.  Absolute means without reasonable and lawful limits."


You are delusional. Everybody who is capable of drawing a breath has Absolute (natural) Rights. I have decisively proven that.

Your denial of that fact doesn't nullify my assertion.
Well said Chief.
I've not ever needed to pay too much attention to the "proofs".

I've waited for most of my life for someone to tell me why someone assaulting me shouldn't be stopped, and why I shouldn't be allowed to stop them in situations where "reasonable restrictions" on my right to stop assaults on my life and property and rights somehow sprang into existence.

Don K. isn't about to tell me either, because there are no such arguments.
  
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Reply #24 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:46pm
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merkelstan wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Your human emulation is fairly good.
I disagree. I wasn't fooled at all.
  
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Reply #25 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:52pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
The Right to self defense is absolute.

Trying to twist it into "you have an absolute right to defend yourself by hiding" doesn't cut it with me.

Me neither.

I think Don_G is a little confused about the term absolute.
  
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Reply #26 - May 15th, 2017 at 5:08pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Me neither.

I think Don_G is a little confused about the term absolute.

I've got a theory that he recently read Herbert Marcuse, and was easily indoctrinated, on account of him being an ignorant fool when he read Marcuse... It's all speculation, I have no proof beyond what he says here, which prove (to me) that he's an ignorant fool... And since I started reading his posts, Marcuse has been percolating up through my damaged brain cells... Who knows why! It's a Great Mystery of Life for me. That's entertainment. Smiley
  
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Reply #27 - May 15th, 2017 at 5:41pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
I've got a theory that he recently read Herbert Marcuse, and was easily indoctrinated, on account of him being an ignorant fool when he read Marcuse...

Marcuse was a socialist philosopher devoted to the study and refinement of modern Marxism.   

"Marx and Engels refrained from developing concrete concepts of the possible forms of freedoms in a socialist society.  Today, such restraint no longer seems justified."   - Herbert Marcuse (An Essay On Liberation)

This might explain Don_G's refusal to acknowkledge absolute rights for humans. It should be pointed out that Absolute rights exist in the Animal Kingdom, too.

A gazelle has the right to defend itself against a hungry lion. It can attempt to flee, or it can face the lion and gore the lion's soft belly with its horns.  But it always has the absolute (natural) right to self-defense. Every living creature does.
  
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Reply #28 - May 15th, 2017 at 6:03pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
A gazelle has the right to defend itself against a hungry lion. It can attempt to flee, or it can face the lion and gore the lion's soft belly with its horns.  But it always has the absolute (natural) right to self-defense. Every living creature does.

What is the "right to self-defense"? This is a problematic formulation. Is it the right to life?  To not be aggressed against? 
  
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Reply #29 - May 15th, 2017 at 6:09pm
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merkelstan wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 6:03pm:
What is the "right to self-defense"? Because I can't find this term in the literature.

It's a pretty broad phrase, encompassing lots of potential situations...

Are you an alien? From where?

Do you really expect me to believe that you never in you life had to defend yourself or your property or a friend or family member? It's all a total mystery to you? Cheesy
  
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