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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2017 at 7:25am
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Don_G wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 7:06pm:
In fact, US nuclear proliferation has already spread to several European countries. The future will see Russia and China doing the same.


France and the UK have had nukes for a very long time. As far as I know, they developed them on their own. The Soviet Union stole the necessary technology from the U.S. long ago, and China most likely got it from them.

When you talk about "U.S. nuclear proliferation" you imply that the U.S. has intentionally given nuclear weapons or technology to other countries. I do not believe that is the case. Do you have any evidence?

When the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of it's failed "socialist system", a lot of it's small nuclear weapons went missing and have never been accounted for that I know of. That's a real instance of nuclear proliferation. It also seems quite likely that Russia and China both might be foolish enough to be helping Iran and North Korea with their nuclear weapons programs including missile development, and it seems clear you think that's a good idea.

Really, the title of your thread implies that the people of North Korea are close to throwing off the yoke of the hereditary Communist "Leader" who dictates in that nation, getting rid of the imposed (and failed) "socialist system". Alas, that's not even close to what you meant by "Freedom".
  
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Reply #11 - May 26th, 2017 at 12:02pm
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Jeff wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 7:25am:
France and the UK have had nukes for a very long time. As far as I know, they developed them on their own. The Soviet Union stole the necessary technology from the U.S. long ago, and China most likely got it from them.

When you talk about "U.S. nuclear proliferation" you imply that the U.S. has intentionally given nuclear weapons or technology to other countries. I do not believe that is the case. Do you have any evidence?

When the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of it's failed "socialist system", a lot of it's small nuclear weapons went missing and have never been accounted for that I know of. That's a real instance of nuclear proliferation. It also seems quite likely that Russia and China both might be foolish enough to be helping Iran and North Korea with their nuclear weapons programs including missile development, and it seems clear you think that's a good idea.

Really, the title of your thread implies that the people of North Korea are close to throwing off the yoke of the hereditary Communist "Leader" who dictates in that nation, getting rid of the imposed (and failed) "socialist system". Alas, that's not even close to what you meant by "Freedom".


You're stupid. You didn't understand anything I said because you can't make your brain focus on anything other than your dogma.

No nuclear weapons have been handed over to any European countries.

The only country that 'may' be in possession of US made nuclear weapons is Israel.

Soviet nuclear weapons are not in the hands of European countries.

So now, can you think of what I meant when I mentioned US nuclear weapons proliferation to European countries?

It's always better for stupid people to learn by themselves so I'll leave you with your homework assignment. A hint- US nuclear weapons in Belgium.
  
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Reply #12 - May 26th, 2017 at 4:22pm
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Don_G wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
You're stupid. You didn't understand anything I said because you can't make your brain focus on anything other than your dogma.


I'm a classical liberal, a freethinker and a Deist, which means, in total, my dogma amounts to  mind your own business, don't hit me and don't take my stuff.

I understand you quite well. You are wasting your rime on a libertarian forum with all us stupid people.
  
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Reply #13 - May 26th, 2017 at 4:24pm
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Don_G wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
Soviet nuclear weapons are not in the hands of European countries.


Nobody ever imagined that they would be... But if you can say with certainty that Greece didn't get a few, you must in fact know where they did go. Why not tell us?
  
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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2017 at 12:03pm
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Jeff wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Nobody ever imagined that they would be... But if you can say with certainty that Greece didn't get a few, you must in fact know where they did go. Why not tell us?


US nuclear proliferation for stupid people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

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Nuclear sharing is a concept in NATO's policy of nuclear deterrence, which involves member ... The United Kingdom also received U.S. tactical nuclear weapons such as nuclear artillery and ... As of 2005, 180 tactical B61 nuclear bombs of the 480 U.S. nuclear weapons believed to be deployed in Europe


And many more as the site points out. The Cuban missile crisis was the result of the US attempt to put nuclear weapons in Turkey. Kruschev called the US bluff by starting to move Soviet nukes to Cuba. Both sides backed down.

Russia hasn't armed other countries with nuclear weapons, the US has. This soundly puts the lie to Russian aggression.
  
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Reply #15 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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Don_G wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
US nuclear proliferation for stupid people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing
What does this have to do with what happened to the Soviet Unions nukes?
  
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Reply #16 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:32pm
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Don_G wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
And many more as the site points out. The Cuban missile crisis was the result of the US attempt to put nuclear weapons in Turkey. Kruschev called the US bluff by starting to move Soviet nukes to Cuba. Both sides backed down.


Yes, at a time when the Soviet union was exporting their brand of communism into the Americas and Africa etc.etc.

Sorry, I forgot, you like communism because when it fails often enough, the Communists turn it into State Capitalism. For shame.
  
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Reply #17 - May 27th, 2017 at 6:20pm
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Jeff wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
Yes, at a time when the Soviet union was exporting their brand of communism into the Americas and Africa etc.etc.

Sorry, I forgot, you like communism because when it fails often enough, the Communists turn it into State Capitalism. For shame.

Yo, G-Man, is there a formula to use so that governing types know when communism has failed often enough that it should be turned into "socially responsible capitalism"?

Some minimum number of innocent people who must be killed or starved to death by communist created famines? How about NONE.

Restrict communism by law to voluntary organizations that are required to pay their own way...

But wait, our Constitution in America already does that! Smiley

Let's try using it! Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - May 28th, 2017 at 11:42am
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Jeff wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 2:29pm:
What does this have to do with what happened to the Soviet Unions nukes?


Absolutely nothing. It was you who introduced that idea when you attempted to understand what I was meaning. Now you know, or at least should know, and you try to divert the topic again.

That's fine. The point has been made that China and Russia are equally within their rights to proliferate nuclear weapons throughout the world.

North Korea has the right and China will stand with N.Korea to ensure their right. The justification they can claim is the example of Israel.

Nuclear weapons for Israel were almost certainly supplied by the US but over the years those weapons have become primitive. That makes it an absolute certainly that the US has updated Israel's nuclear weapons.

Two sides are evolving out of the chaos the US has caused throughout the world. The US march to global empire will not be easy. Not in an age where MAD is the primary factor that's preventing it from happening.

If only it wasn't that millions more will perish under US bombs and aggression.
  
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Reply #19 - May 28th, 2017 at 4:06pm
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Don_G wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Absolutely nothing.

I think I finally get it! You believe North Koreans will be "free" when a real and effective 'socialist system' is finally instituted in North Korea (or actually world wide- Isn't that what it takes to make "socialism" effective", the complete destruction of all individual Liberty everywhere?) and that can't happen until the North Korean government helps to destroy America and the very ideas behind America... Cry

Do I have it right?
  
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