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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2017 at 6:47pm
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Don_G wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
When you say you voted for the socialist party you told me you still don't understand. But that's the American influence working on you.

In Canada we don't vote for any socialist party because none of our parties are socialist. The Conservative party labels everybody but themselves as socialists but they are very wrong on that.

So we need to start thinking in terms of 'socially' responsible capitalism. Neither of your major parties has that to offer so you need to look elsewhere. But so far no alternative exists.

For a hint, it has a lot to do with some of what Trump offered. But he offered lies because he would never help the middle class and the poor to rise up. But also, he awakened the poor and the middle class to accept some of the ideas that are 'social' responsibility in government.

You were snookered by Trump this time but a very dangerous movement has been awakened in the people's heads. Next time maybe, but it's going to be a longshot because you're going to be bombarded with fear of communism and you will be told that you are un-Americans if you don't support the American way.


I am not afraid of anything, nor am I a normal American to address me in the plural "You". I am myself, and individual, capable of ignoring the group, who tells me communism is bad. I am more willful. I was capable even as a white American man of voting for a Mexican woman. Try that one out! I might vote for her again.

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Reply #11 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 5:32am
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kunstler wrote on May 31st, 2017 at 6:47pm:
capable of ignoring the group, who tells me communism is bad


Funny, my teachers and my media told me that these Communist Manifesto prescriptions were good.  Maybe you're not as edgy and independent as you think?

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Reply #12 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 12:41pm
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merkelstan wrote on Jun 1st, 2017 at 5:32am:
Funny, my teachers and my media told me that these Communist Manifesto prescriptions were good.  Maybe you're not as edgy and independent as you think?

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html


Don't get manipulated into subscribing to libertarian party exaggerations. Suspect an agenda being trotted out. For example, argue just one item from that link. I'll choose #2:

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2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago.  These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.


To begin with, consider the alternatiive. Or consider how a progressive tax works to at least attempt to even out the huge wealth disparity to give the poor and middle class a leg up. Which of course nearly all Americans are acknowledging and about which they are becoming very vocal.

If you posted the link then you must have some support for the issues it raises?  Personally, I see that issue as playing directly into the hands of the 1%! Can you see that danger?

My preferences will always be from the perspective of 'socially responsible capitalism'. And never from the POV of Marxism. I hold up Canada's brand of capitalism as the example. Allowing the 1% to make it out to be something evil is one of the biggest failures with Americans. And especially egregious is that it comes from the mouths of ordinary people such as Jeff!

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Reply #13 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 12:48pm
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merkelstan wrote on Jun 1st, 2017 at 5:32am:
Funny, my teachers and my media told me that these Communist Manifesto prescriptions were good.  Maybe you're not as edgy and independent as you think?

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html


I didnt say I was edgy, just that I don't cave under pressure. For example, the people in the northeast of the USA will say you are a racist unless you bow to the WHITE PEOPLE in the northeast. That's a funny way of proving that you like minorities, by allowing white blond haired people like Clinton to push you to your knees. For example, I find it much more liberating to vote for a Mexican woman out west. At least Mexican woman seems nice and doesnt pull crazy faces! Northerns are scary looking!
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 1:24pm
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kunstler wrote on Jun 1st, 2017 at 12:48pm:
I didnt say I was edgy, just that I don't cave under pressure. For example, the people in the northeast of the USA will say you are a racist unless you bow to the WHITE PEOPLE in the northeast. That's a funny way of proving that you like minorities, by allowing white blond haired people like Clinton to push you to your knees. For example, I find it much more liberating to vote for a Mexican woman out west. At least Mexican woman seems nice and doesnt pull crazy faces! Northerns are scary looking!


How childish! You're going to have to work hard to redeem your credibility after tha kind of nonsense.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 2:30pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 1st, 2017 at 1:24pm:
How childish! You're going to have to work hard to redeem your credibility after tha kind of nonsense.


On a lowend forum like this credibility counts for nothing.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 7th, 2017 at 12:08pm
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Don_G wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 1:56pm:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/389992-indonesia-borneo-kalimantan-palm-oil/

This is what US style capitalism represents best. There's nothing more important than profit.


I always like the argument that my believing money I earned is greed and your demanding the money I earned isn't.  Hmm ... maybe "like" isn't the right word.

Here's the fundamental difference between us.  If I get my way, you can still make your own choices ...
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 8th, 2017 at 2:17pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
I always like the argument that my believing money I earned is greed and your demanding the money I earned isn't.  Hmm ... maybe "like" isn't the right word.

Here's the fundamental difference between us.  If I get my way, you can still make your own choices ...


My idea is not to take money from wealthy people, but to get as far away from them as possibly before they can raise my rent, so I can live somewhere that you enjoy life without always thinking of everything in terms of a hustle. 

I guess you would run from Rich Americans the same way Europeans originally ran from aristocrats in Europe. Rich Americans are basically the aristocrats  we were running from when we colonized the Americas. They even connected our banks to British banks and do military interventions on their behalf like Serbian war with Clinton. They don't even ask for our permission.

I wouldnt be surprised if European royalty ruled the USA through rich American proxies.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 8th, 2017 at 2:41pm
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kunstler wrote on May 31st, 2017 at 6:47pm:
I am not afraid of anything, nor am I a normal American to address me in the plural "You". I am myself, and individual, capable of ignoring the group, who tells me communism is bad. I am more willful. I was capable even as a white American man of voting for a Mexican woman. Try that one out! I might vote for her again.

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You is both singular and plural
  

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Reply #19 - Jun 8th, 2017 at 2:43pm
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Don_G wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
In Canada we don't vote for any socialist party because none of our parties are socialist. The Conservative party labels everybody but themselves as socialists but they are very wrong on that


In Canada, all the parties are socialist including the Conservative party.  In your case, you're beyond socialist, you're a Marxist.  You've repeatedly advocated Russian and Chinese Communism
  

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