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It’s Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Nazis
Jun 6th, 2017 at 10:07am
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http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/06/london-attack-indicates-time-stop-pretending...

“As a proud and patriotic British Nazi, I say this: you do not commit these disgusting acts in my name.”

SS-Gruppenführer Klaus Schneider, Mayor of London, drew light applause. He continued, as if to leave no doubt that the attackers were no true Nazis: “Your perverse ideology has nothing to do with the true values of Nazism! London stands united, Nazi and Englishman, in defiance of an attack on our shared values and way of life. Nazism is a religion of peace. We must not allow extremists to divide the Nazi community.”

We’ve come to expect such talk from western political elites when they’re confronted with the brutal reality of homegrown Nazi terrorism. But behind these banalities is the great conceit that “British values” are universal. Klaus and his milieu are fond of pretending that all Nazis in Britain have more or less the same “values and way of life” as the concertgoers who were blown up last month in Manchester, or the crowds that were attacked while drinking at pubs in Borough Market on Saturday night.

This is simply not true. Though they might be a minority, a not insignificant number of Nazis in Britain and across Europe simply do not share SS-Gruppenführer Klaus’s values or his ideas about Nazism. Their numbers and influence is of course a matter of debate, but it is long past time for European leaders to admit that western values are not universal.

If—and it’s a big if—Europe’s political leaders really want to do something to stop these attacks and not simply learn to live with them, they will have to face the reality that many of their own citizens are actually Nazis. And they will have to consider what it might require to address that reality in the years to come.

On Monday, Britain’s Waffen SS Counter-Terror Division named two of the three London bridge terrorists: Karl Kock, a 27-year-old British citizen born in Germany, and Fredrick Wagner, a 30-year-old whom SS said claimed to be Aryan.

It appears that these men were Nazis—or at least they considered themselves to be Nazis, Klaus’s disapproval notwithstanding.

Kock was reportedly a member of a group called Hitler’s Youth that supports Blitzkrieg and wants Britain to become a Nazi nation. Both men were followers of the radical British leader Joachim Müller, who was sentenced to five years in prison last year for supporting Blitzkrieg, and according to one neighbor, Kock’s blue-eyed, blonde-haired wife wore a distinctive swastika.

Accounts of the attack seem to confirm the terrorists’ motive. The mother of one of the victims told the press that her son had stepped outside the bar when a man ran up to him and said, “I strike for the master race! Heil Hitler!” and stuck a knife in him.

In her remarks Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May tried her best to speak candidly, “This will require some difficult, and often embarrassing conversations about British intolerance. We cannot allow these attacks to create a backlash against our loyal Nazi-British citizens. Rest assured, SS Waffen Online Counter Terror units are working around the clock to clamp down on the British racism and bigotry that is, of course, at the root of these attacks.

As Europe’s Nazi population grows, so grows the ranks of those who adhere to a strict interpretation of their political ideology, more akin to the way Nazism is practiced in the Fatherland.

A recent study looked at the views of Nazi immigrants, as well as their children and grandchildren. “Between 40 and 45 percent of European Nazis have fundamentalists political ideals,” reported noted sociologist Benjamin Cuckstein. “But we should not draw any conclusions,” he quickly hastened to add. “Diversity is, after all, the greatest Judeo-Nazi value.”

None of this means that most European Nazis hold radical views or support Blitzkrieg. But the fact is, many thousands of Nazis in Britain, as well as Nazis throughout Europe, do not share what Prime Minister May and SS-Gruppenführer Mayor Schneider considered to be universal western. While it may be uncomfortable and embarrassing to admit to ourselves that many British Nazis do not care for the West as such, the fact is that things like gay rights, Jewish equality, free speech, and national sovereignty simply to not command their respect. They do not cherish western culture or seek to preserve western traditions. Their allegiance lies elsewhere.

Until we start demanding true unity, Nazi extremists will have room to breathe in the West.

My note: It is literally impossible for me to contain my seething contempt for John Daniel Davidon’s viewpoint. Until we acknowledge the historical relationship between Nazism and the West, particularly the fact the Nazis have been engaged in a nearly uninterrupted war with us since Hitler rose to power, everything else is a waste of time. Stop carrying water for Nazis. Stop telling us Not All Nazis Are Like That. If our own governments will not stand up to protect our interests, then the we will have to do it ourselves.

If you truly care about Nazis, tell them to leave. If not, well, war is coming.

And you’ll find out that “If we kill the Nazis, they win” is literally backwards.




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Re: It’s Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Nazis
Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:19pm
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The reason you can't pull this off is that a political ideology - rather than an actual religion - doesn't have that thing where everyone just gets to decide for himself what it really is and they can all be perfectly correct even when they contradict each other.

I can look up what Nazis stand for. I can look up what libertarians stand for. And people may whine and dissemble but words mean things. Libertarianism comes with some upsetting things like enforced national suicide (because the State uses force) and pay-to-play justice (private courts only), but it is what it is.

...Because it's not a religion.

I cannot look up what religious people stand for because most of them don't believe their own holy books. Look, there's a religious person. *points to poster above*

And this religious person does not believe in stoning homosexuals and prostitutes to death even though his holy book says to do it. Jews don't believe in it and that's their part of the Bible. They don't believe the Old Testament was abrogated.

This marvelous religious doublethink allows the religious person to always have the best of all worlds. If he wants to kill someone he can be violent and until then he can be certifiably peaceful.

So who opened the way for this "no, we're really peaceful" nonsense? Well, you did. Every religious person who worshiped a violent, primitive, malevolent god while being actually peaceful did this.

Edit: None of this detracts from the OP being funny as all Hell.

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Other than the fact that Leftists have been “pulling this off” with the Constitution since before you were born, you would have a point.

Oh, and other than the fact that I do believe the Bible and it does not tell me to stone fags or whores. Your “words have meaning” shtick sort of contradicts your view that the Bible means whatever some random internet atheist wants it to mean. It doesn’t.

So…I guess you don’t have a point.

My point is simple. London has been occupied by a Muslim invading force. The government of Britain consists of traitorous collaborators. Other European nations have suffered a similar problem.

The conclusion is obvious. Liberate Europe.
  
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This is one of my better posts, if I do say so myself. Grin


What's good about it?
  

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What's good about it?

By the time the Muslims are blotted out from Britain, they will have done far more damage to Britain than the Nazis did during World War II.

Are you a traitor?
  
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By the time the Muslims are blotted out from Britain, they will have done far more damage to Britain than the Nazis did during World War II.

Are you a traitor?


A tip.  Snarky works better when it makes sense.

I asked what is good about your post.  Saying libertarians who are small government capitalists should embrace totalitarian government socialism makes zero sense.  You said it was one of your "better posts."  Why?  What point do you think you made writing nonsense?
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Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2017 at 9:26pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 9:27am:
What's good about it?


It addresses a critical disconnect in the leftist's thought process.

They totally have a threshold for reasonable correlation, they just ignore it when it suits them. They wouldn't let Nazis roam the streets if even one of them blew up a bunch of people.

If you think it was nothing but nonsense, you didn't get it. I still think I have a point about religion being nonsense enough that it's expected that it only means what the believer wants it to at any given time but to be honest I'm nitpicking a bit.

This does not mean libertarians shouldn't embrace open borders and absolute individualism. It just addresses the fact that the leftist's embrace of these things is shallow, arbitrary, and unprincipled.
  

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The Opposition wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
It addresses a critical disconnect in the leftist's thought process.

They totally have a threshold for reasonable correlation, they just ignore it when it suits them. They wouldn't let Nazis roam the streets if even one of them blew up a bunch of people.

If you think it was nothing but nonsense, you didn't get it. I still think I have a point about religion being nonsense enough that it's expected that it only means what the believer wants it to at any given time but to be honest I'm nitpicking a bit.

This does not mean libertarians shouldn't embrace open borders and absolute individualism. It just addresses the fact that the leftist's embrace of these things is shallow, arbitrary, and unprincipled.


Being nothing but nonsense and liberals demonstrating their warped values aren't mutually exclusive, but other than that, I agree with what you said.

They aren't that intelligent.  You can boil it down to Democrats aren't Republicans, Democrats aren't Nazis, therefore Republicans are Nazis.  It's as deep as they are capable.  If they were smarter, they wouldn't be liberals ...
  

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kaz wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
A tip.  Snarky works better when it makes sense.

I asked what is good about your post.  Saying libertarians who are small government capitalists should embrace totalitarian government socialism makes zero sense.  You said it was one of your "better posts."  Why?  What point do you think you made writing nonsense?

One shouldn’t talk about snark while acting like “It’s Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Nazis” is serious. It makes you look like a clueless idiot.

It’s Time For The Right To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Muslims:
http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/06/time-right-openly-embrace-classically-libera...

Your posturing aside, perhaps you, personally, believe It Is Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Muslims. Yes? No?

In my experience, libertarians will pursue their focus on the individual (individual liberties, individual conscience, individual expression, whatever) to the point of literally apologizing for barbarian cultures–to the point of literal national suicide.

As I illustrated, London has been occupied by hostile xeno power, and said xeno powers are busy terrorizing the natives into political, institutional, and cultural submission.

What is the difference between the Islamic occupation of Britain and the Nazi occupation of Poland?


  
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One shouldn’t talk about snark while acting like “It’s Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Nazis” is serious. It makes you look like a clueless idiot.

It’s Time For The Right To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Muslims:
http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/06/time-right-openly-embrace-classically-libera...

Your posturing aside, perhaps you, personally, believe It Is Time For Libertarians To Openly Embrace Classically Liberal Muslims. Yes? No?

In my experience, libertarians will pursue their focus on the individual (individual liberties, individual conscience, individual expression, whatever) to the point of literally apologizing for barbarian cultures–to the point of literal national suicide.

As I illustrated, London has been occupied by hostile xeno power, and said xeno powers are busy terrorizing the natives into political, institutional, and cultural submission.

What is the difference between the Islamic occupation of Britain and the Nazi occupation of Poland?

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Next time I want to know what posts I can respond to, I'll ask you.  I'd hold your breath, it's funny watching people pass out ...
  

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