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Re: NAP and Self-Defence Incompatible
Reply #30 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:50pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
I think I'm going to take on a friend on this board for my own personal use. But I haven't decided if it will be you or Jeff. What do you think?

It works like this: The odd man out gets a shitkicking by the gang. Either of you are hated enough on this board to be the one! I'm sort of leaning toward you because you're probably the smartest. Or at least, as smart as Americans get?


I don't give a shit either way.  It's the worst possible world for you.  I'm going to evaluate you on your content ...
  

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Re: NAP and Self-Defence Incompatible
Reply #31 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:57pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
I don't give a shit either way.  It's the worst possible world for you.  I'm going to evaluate you on your content ...


And that makes you even a better choice. If you're chosen then I'm going to build you up and then destroy you.

the only problem is, Jeff would be at least as much fun. I'll keep it my little secret!
  
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Reply #32 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:59pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
And that makes you even a better choice. If you're chosen then I'm going to build you up and then destroy you.

the only problem is, Jeff would be at least as much fun. I'll keep it my little secret!


You have neither the power to build me up nor tear me down, I don't take you seriously.  I just banter with you
  

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Reply #33 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
You have neither the power to build me up nor tear me down, I don't take you seriously.  I just banter with you


Well hey then smart boy, what about those traits of the Nazi party that indicate they were socialists and not fascists?

You have me excited at the prospect of you knowing something the rest of the world's politically astute don't!  LOL

Maybe a hint on where you can start would be telling me about American neo-Nazi skinheads. Your friends?
  
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Reply #34 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:12pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
Well hey then smart boy, what about those traits of the Nazi party that indicate they were socialists and not fascists?

You have me excited at the prospect of you knowing something the rest of the world's politically astute don't!  LOL

Maybe a hint on where you can start would be telling me about American neo-Nazi skinheads. Your friends?


I already answered that.  Go back to my answer and comment from there, don't ignore it and just re-ask the question
  

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Re: NAP and Self-Defence Incompatible
Reply #35 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
I already answered that.  Go back to my answer and comment from there, don't ignore it and just re-ask the question


https://www.google.ca/search?q=political+spectrum&rlz=1C1GGGE_enCA448CA448&tbm=i...

I'm finished with you for today.
  
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Re: NAP and Self-Defence Incompatible
Reply #36 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:19pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm:


Wow, a chart!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing, your repertoire is vast indeed.  Well played ...
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Re: NAP and Self-Defence Incompatible
Reply #37 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 9:34pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 9:05am:
Your question is in fact too simple, and because of that a stupid question.


Stupid questions have stupidly easy answers.

Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 9:05am:
If it is proven that you murdered someone, you have no more rights at all. You forfeit them.


I would like nothing better!!! But that is not the concept of inviolable rights any libertarian has put forth. Rothbard even says you can't punish unless it takes the form of reparation. In other words, someone steals, you get it back... and maybe more as damages. But you can't actually punish people because rights are inviolable.

If you want to come over to my concept of rights - that they're based on agreement and can be forfeited when the agreement is broken - then do so.

Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 9:05am:
If you shoot someone accidentally you will be held liable and may in fact be imprisoned.

If you shoot someone in self defense, your rights are preserved.


See this? See how someone (in this case you) is deciding when rights are preserved and what actions forfeit them? There is nothing between this and pure Statism. The State just decides instead of you.
  

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