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Reply #80 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 12:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:58am:
Pick one where the Communist Party is in charge. How about North Korea? Do they permit "labor mobility"? (To your almost inevitable reply of 'yes' I have to say  Cheesy.)


No. But any communist country that has managed to free itself from US influence and blackmail, quickly gains labour mobility. This is a big part of what Trump and the Repubs. fear with Cuba and the reason he's destroying Obama's progress.  And Russia, which is no longer a communist country is another example.

Communism isn't the end answer, but in some cases it's the temporary answer in order to combat US aggression and dirty tricks. The US wants all countries to fall into practicing it's form of corrupt capitalism. The end answer is a mix of capitalism and socialism and you know what we call that!

Cuba took the only possible way out with it's revolution. N.Korea will evolve too, along with China. And of course, N.Korea is strictly controlled by China, it's big nuclear armed friend. There's not going to be any equivalent of the Bay of Pigs invasion on N.Korea. China won't allow it, in the same way the US won't allow the destruction of the ME's apartheid regime.
  
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Reply #81 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 5:05pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
No. But any communist country that has managed to free itself from US influence and blackmail, quickly gains labour mobility.
But it doesn't actually exist anywhere under communism and never has? Not even when Communist Parties sent millions of people from cities out into the farmlands without even giving them hoes? That was large scale "labor mobility".

What you are actually fantasizing is that individuals under communism will have the right to make free economic decisions.

That will never happen ever.

If people are free to make their own economic decisions, lots of them will save money, start businesses (including banks,) invest in banks (including through savings accounts so the banks can invest the money and start more businesses...) and then establish governments to protect the fruits of their labor... What (classical) liberals most often call a "free market economy" will be created.

Marxist will call it evil and try to destroy it. Famine will result... people will be thrown into poverty and kept there buy "laws"ad nauseum.
  
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Reply #82 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:47pm
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I understand that libertarians love Asians.


I'll take that as a compliment.   Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #83 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 3:34pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
But it doesn't actually exist anywhere under communism and never has? Not even when Communist Parties sent millions of people from cities out into the farmlands without even giving them hoes? That was large scale "labor mobility".

What you are actually fantasizing is that individuals under communism will have the right to make free economic decisions.

That will never happen ever.

If people are free to make their own economic decisions, lots of them will save money, start businesses (including banks,) invest in banks (including through savings accounts so the banks can invest the money and start more businesses...) and then establish governments to protect the fruits of their labor... What (classical) liberals most often call a "free market economy" will be created.

Marxist will call it evil and try to destroy it. Famine will result... people will be thrown into poverty and kept there buy "laws"ad nauseum.


If you would slow down and think it through, you would suddenly come to the conclusion that I agree with nearly everything you say about capitalism and communism.

I think the reason you don't do that if because it gives you pleasure to pretend to disagree with me.

Why is it that you can't accept that I'm a capitalist?

About the only thing I've ever said in favour of communism is that I want to see them left alone and allow them to evolved naturally. Cuba would have done that years ago if it wasn't for US harrassment.
  
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Reply #84 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 4:21pm
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Don_G wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Why is it that you can't accept that I'm a capitalist?


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You're a nut bag !!!

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Reply #85 - Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:27am
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Don_G wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Why is it that you can't accept that I'm a capitalist?


I'm certain I've said that "capitalism", the term Marx created to describe Feudal systems of political economy, applies perfectly to the system you advocate- "socially responsible capitalism".

You are a "capitalist". You prefer the system of political economy that Marx hated because he saw that it was evil.

Classic liberals/libertarians also see that it is evil (even if you attach the meaningless modifier "socially responsible"). That's why we advocate for 'individual economic liberty' or 'free markets' rather than "capitalism".

No matter how often we do that, nasty idiots like you insist on calling us "capitalists" because you hope to smear us while confusing the issue.

Seriously Donat, how can you imagine that a Medieval form of political economy can be made palatable by calling it "socially responsible"?
  
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Reply #86 - Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:33am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:27am:
I'm certain I've said that "capitalism", the term Marx created to describe Feudal systems of political economy, applies perfectly to the system you advocate- "socially responsible capitalism"


Marx used the term, but he didn't create it.

BTW, Christian was created originally to mock followers of Christ
  

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Reply #87 - Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:37am
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kaz wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:33am:
Marx used the term, but he didn't create it.

I stand corrected, thanks. I'd be even more grateful if you would have told me where it did come from.
  
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Reply #88 - Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:47am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:37am:
I stand corrected, thanks. I'd be even more grateful if you would have told me where it did come from.


According to the OED, the first use of the term in generally the same way we use it today was by Louis Blanc in 1850.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Blanc
  

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Reply #89 - Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:57am
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kaz wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 9:47am:
According to the OED, the first use of the term in generally the same way we use it today was by Louis Blanc in 1850.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Blanc
Thanks. A French socialist philosopher... No surprise there. Marx probably learned lots of nonsense from him.
  
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