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Re: Only libertarianism is based on human nature
Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:44am
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 12:21am:
Libertarianism is a flawed ideology that is going nowhere and for that reason it's a waste of time to either praise it or condemn it. It's the 'pie in the sky that Americans grasp as their day dream, instead of embracing good and socially responsible capitalism.

Their two main political parties don't offer that. A new party is sorely needed and it won't be libertarian which is never going to exceed more than about 2% nationally.


True dat.  It's funny, isn't it?  For all the words people say about thinking for themselves and being independent, people in the end are a bunch of dependency seeking sheep.

You go out and say you're problems are not your fault, you are owed other people's money, we go out and say do it yourself, and they overwhelmingly vote for you.  Self reliance doesn't sell politically, it is true
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:53am
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:44am:
For all the words people say about thinking for themselves and being independent, people in the end are a bunch of dependency seeking sheep.

You go out and say you're problems are not your fault, you are owed other people's money, we go out and say do it yourself, and they overwhelmingly vote for you.  Self reliance doesn't sell politically, it is true.

Well said, kaz! 

The Nanny State is what the people want.
  
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Re: Only libertarianism is based on human nature
Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 3:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:53am:
Well said, kaz! 

The Nanny State is what the people want.


The 'nanny' state is just a term being used by the political right represented by the 1%. And the American people willingly buy right in to the demonization of socialism and socially responsible government.

Social responsibility is the last thing the 1% want to see or hear about. This is why the sing the praises of the American way. Everybody can be president and this is the land of opportunity, the land of milk and honey!

But it's not! And it's questionable if it every was, anymore than the Scandinavian countries were and are. At least in our living memory.

Income and wealth disparities have reached epidemic proportions in the US and the people know it only too well. They are suffering to the point of even contemplating revolution. They won't but they will take it out on their fellow Americans, and especially black people. Obama gave them an outlet to express their anger at their system of government. He made black people the common enemy because an enemy was sorely needed.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 3:13pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
The 'nanny' state is just a term being used by the political right represented by the 1%. And the American people willingly buy right in to the demonization of socialism and socially responsible government.

Social responsibility is the last thing the 1% want to see or hear about. This is why the sing the praises of the American way. Everybody can be president and this is the land of opportunity, the land of milk and honey!

But it's not! And it's questionable if it every was, anymore than the Scandinavian countries were and are. At least in our living memory.

Income and wealth disparities have reached epidemic proportions in the US and the people know it only too well. They are suffering to the point of even contemplating revolution. They won't but they will take it out on their fellow Americans, and especially black people. Obama gave them an outlet to express their anger at their system of government. He made black people the common enemy because an enemy was sorely needed.


The Scandinavian countries are just piddling little outposts on the edge of humanity funded by oil exports.  To compare them to major powers is like comparing a country like Kanada to a major power
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
The Scandinavian countries are just piddling little outposts on the edge of humanity funded by oil exports.  To compare them to major powers is like comparing a country like Kanada to a major power


Their wealth and industry came from free market reforms.  In recent decades they began pissing them away.  Holding them up as a role model for the left is just myth.
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 1:30pm
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merkelstan wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Their wealth and industry came from free market reforms.  In recent decades they began pissing them away.  Holding them up as a role model for the left is just myth.


They will nevertheless survive and it will be without great harm to their people. Would you predict otherwise?

And what can be more important than the wellbeing and happiness of the people?

The Scandinavian countries are a lesson for Americans but the controlling elite in American are deathly afraid of the model catching on.

I'm saying that Trump must have studied the Scandinavian model to some degree because he offered change that would have been completely in tune with it.

Think of some examples on what he promised that confirm what I'm saying?

If only he hadn't lied about all of it!

Why were Americans so easily taken in by promises from a corporate psychopath whose agenda is obviously the very opposite of the people's needs?

My answer to that is DESPERATION!
  
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Re: Only libertarianism is based on human nature
Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 2:34pm
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merkelstan wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Their wealth and industry came from free market reforms.  In recent decades they began pissing them away.  Holding them up as a role model for the left is just myth.


Their economies boomed because of oil.  Capitalism under socialism isn't free market.  You can still only do what government decides to allow you to do
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 2:35pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Why were Americans so easily taken in by promises from a corporate psychopath whose agenda is obviously the very opposite of the people's needs?


I feel you.  Jobs?  Wealth?  Who needs that shit?
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 5:02pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:44am:
You go out and say you're problems are not your fault, you are owed other people's money, we go out and say do it yourself, and they overwhelmingly vote for you.  Self reliance doesn't sell politically, it is true
Talking like that was what got Reagan elected. The Deep State wasn't happy... Didn't they have him shot?
  
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Re: Only libertarianism is based on human nature
Reply #19 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:58pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
I feel you.  Jobs?  Wealth?  Who needs that shit?


And Trump's promise of universal health care. Would you feel double-crossed if he followed through on that one?

Granted he needed to promise a big border wall to appeal to the  lowlife hillbillies of the US south.
  
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