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Re: No one living on money confiscated by force should be able to vote
Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 4:24pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
There's a fundamental difference between volunteering to defend your country and taking a job as a career bureaucrat thwarting the economy.
I can't see it, the fundamental difference. What is it?

In the same vein, how many of our military employees are actually defending America these days?
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 1:21pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
My proposal is military is exempt.  There's a pretty clear reason why, it's not that complicated.  You can ask the same question 50 different ways and it's still the same answer.  There's a fundamental difference between volunteering to defend your country and taking a job as a career bureaucrat thwarting the economy.


Except that the proposal is less arbitrary if you just throw that bathwater out with the welfare baby.

Once you make one exception, you've opened the door for more exceptions.

Jeff brought up the same thing a while ago and my problem with it was the fact that teachers wouldn't get a vote.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Jeff brought up the same thing a while ago and my problem with it was the fact that teachers wouldn't get a vote.
It's comforting to know there are constants in the world, but annoying to realize that one of the constants is that you are a lying sack of shit. Cry

Teachers pay taxes on money that they earn, whether they work for government schools or private schools. Under my plan, that qualifies them to vote.

It saddens me to have you constantly lie abut what I have said and what my essential beliefs really are.

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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 3:54pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Once you make one exception, you've opened the door for more exceptions.

There is no denying that soldiers are exceptional. They are authorized to kill people without it being murder... Shocked

Why that should make them exempt from taxes I can't say and don't understand.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 5:47pm
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This is pretty simple...

Too bad the lizard can't think clearly and simply.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 11:32am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Except that the proposal is less arbitrary if you just throw that bathwater out with the welfare baby.

Once you make one exception, you've opened the door for more exceptions.

Jeff brought up the same thing a while ago and my problem with it was the fact that teachers wouldn't get a vote.


They would if you follow the Constitution and keep the Federal government out of education.

My proposal is you can't vote in Federal Elections if you earn your living on the Federal dole.   If schools are properly funded by States, there would be no Federal restriction to voting.

As for State elections, that would be up to the State, but working for a State is far different Constitutionally than for the Federal government.  Our Federal budget would be about a third of what it is or less if we eliminated Unconstitutional agencies and spending
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 11:33am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Except that the proposal is less arbitrary if you just throw that bathwater out with the welfare baby.

Once you make one exception, you've opened the door for more exceptions.

Jeff brought up the same thing a while ago and my problem with it was the fact that teachers wouldn't get a vote.


Military isn't "one exemption."  It's the primary Constitutional purpose of the Federal government.

Seriously, you don't see the difference between military and social spending?  You obviously know nothing about the Founding Fathers since they clearly did.  That was about all they allowed the Federal government to do. 

The rest was made up by corrupt, power driven politicians
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 11:36am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
There is no denying that soldiers are exceptional. They are authorized to kill people without it being murder... Shocked

Why that should make them exempt from taxes I can't say and don't understand.


Military actually don't have the power to kill anyone they want.

And where did I say they shouldn't need to pay taxes?
  

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Re: No one living on money confiscated by force should be able to vote
Reply #18 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
The self interest of those such as welfare queens, government employees and social security/medicare receivers is just too great a conflict of interest that they should not be allowed to vote while they are living on other people's money.  They are burying us in spending and debt.

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1)  I would exempt the military since no one risks their lives for money

2)  I would not remove their right to vote permanently, just in the year they live on other people's money

Wow, we would be better off.  They are just voting themselves money.  That is to the point of the other thread on taxes being theft, theft.  It's armed robbery


Most of the military aren't risking their lives of course but they are certainly in the military for the money. The truth is that the military is one of the safest jobs you can have.

No money is confiscated by force and thinking up that kind of libertarian day dream is obviously just a reason to disqualify people who don't vote your particular preference.

Really stupid! Stick around, you're useful!
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:45pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm:
Most of the military aren't risking their lives of course but they are certainly in the military for the money. The truth is that the military is one of the safest jobs you can have


I'm talking about the US military, not the Canadian military.  We provide your defense for you, so I'm sure what you say is true up there

Don_G wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm:
No money is confiscated by force


No money is taken by force?  Don't pay your taxes and get back to me


Don_G wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm:
thinking up that kind of libertarian day dream is obviously just a reason to disqualify people who don't vote your particular preference.


Government not spending the money at all just isn't party of your greedy, socialist mind, is it?

Don_G wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm:
Really stupid! Stick around, you're useful!




I like Canadians.  Taste like chicken.  It's cool how we rule you and yet you can't vote.




  

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