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Reply #100 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 12:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 9:48am:
Do libertarians have "social policy"? I thought it was just to leave people alone to allow them to create their own societies... I have a hard time thinking of that as a "social policy".


Isn't it ironic that somebody would be asking that question at this stage of the game. It's a clear indication that libertarians on even a libertarian forum have no real direction. There's nothing in their politics that can't be reversed completely by some other libertarian. If there is, I would like to hear an example! They're not even consistent on property rights!
  
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Reply #101 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 5:41pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
Isn't it ironic that somebody would be asking that question at this stage of the game.
There is an actual disease that all doctors know about called Diarrhea of the higher brain. You have the worst case I've ever seen.

Is "social policy" from a libertarian standpoint yet another topic you are ashamed (or afraid) to address?


  
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Reply #102 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 5:45pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
There's nothing in their politics that can't be reversed completely by some other libertarian.
Roll Eyes From the Enlightenment through the Reformation and the Age of Reason, classical liberals/libertarians have have consistently supported the rule of law. In fact, they essentially created it from natural rights theory.

You don't accept or understand or even know of any of that, so, out of ignorance, you slander libertarians. crappity smack you. (crappity smack should be capitalized, but isn't. Don't get on me about it!)
  
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Reply #103 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 6:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Roll Eyes From the Enlightenment through the Reformation and the Age of Reason, classical liberals/libertarians have have consistently supported the rule of law. In fact, they essentially created it from natural rights theory.

You don't accept or understand or even know of any of that, so, out of ignorance, you slander libertarians. crappity smack you. (crappity smack should be capitalized, but isn't. Don't get on me about it!)


Classical liberals and libertarians are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Why should I bother even talking to somebody who doesn't understand that?
  
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Reply #104 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:53am
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Don_G wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Classical liberals and libertarians are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Why should I bother even talking to somebody who doesn't understand that?
If you are that confused, you shouldn't talk to anyone until you learn a few real things. Right now, you just sound like a complete fool.
  
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Reply #105 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:53am:
If you are that confused, you shouldn't talk to anyone until you learn a few real things. Right now, you just sound like a complete fool.


You're entitled to believe whatever you like!

https://www.google.ca/search?q=political+spectrum&rlz=1C1GGGE_enCA448CA448&tbm=i...

You can also keep trying to convince others.

I think I'll just close this one up by saying that it's just nonsense to say that taxation is confiscating money by force.

It's pretty well be shown that it's nothing more than being billed by the government for goods and serviced received. Only batshit crazed libertarians will continue to deny that! No Liberal honestly does!
  
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Reply #106 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 1:07pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 17th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Classical liberals and libertarians are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Why should I bother even talking to somebody who doesn't understand that?


You don't know what you are talking about.  Classic liberals = libertarians.  You socialists are on the opposite end of the spectrum
  

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Reply #107 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
You don't know what you are talking about.  Classic liberals = libertarians.  You socialists are on the opposite end of the spectrum
You've got him stumped! He's probably trying to understand the meaning of "classic"... Grin

If history for him begins in the late 1800s, "classic" probably has no real meaning, so he's only able to think about modern Marxist fantasies about classic liberalism. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
  
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Reply #108 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
You've got him stumped! He's probably trying to understand the meaning of "classic"... Grin

If history for him begins in the late 1800s, "classic" probably has no real meaning, so he's only able to think about modern Marxist fantasies about classic liberalism.


He's (me) quite content with the proof he furnished.
  
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Reply #109 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:42pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
He's quite content with the proof he furnished.


All he did was link a google search for political spectrum. Here's from Wikipedia:

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law, and emphasizes economic freedoms found in economic liberalism which is also called free market capitalism."

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, 'free') is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle. Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, individual judgment, and self-ownership."

These do not seem opposite to me. There are probably differences like the classical liberal advocating the Rule of Law in the definition while some libertarians prefer AnCap, and classical liberals probably weren't for open borders while libertarians (see www.lp.org) are, but these are not opposites by any stretch of the imagination.
  

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