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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm
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ahhell wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 4:23pm:
Once again, I agree with with Jeff.  This time regarding the civil war an Lincoln.  The most anti-libertarian aspect of the constitution was its tacit approval of slavery.  Lincoln corrected that but did damage state sovereignty.


And the right to secede.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
And the right to secede.
Had some states wanted to leave the union for reasons other than preserving human slavery, perhaps that could have been considered, but that was never the question.

The question was do state governments have the power to enforce human slavery within their states?

You could perhaps answer, but you won't.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Had some states wanted to leave the union for reasons other than preserving human slavery, perhaps that could have been considered, but that was never the question.


Then the just course of action is to beat the South into submission, free the slaves, and then ask them if they still want to secede.

All the former slaves get a vote too.

We'll just forget that you're assuming that was the only reason when it wasn't.

Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
The question was do state governments have the power to enforce human slavery within their states?


No, if human rights are absolute.

However, there are other countries today who do the same or worse and we ignore them. That's the same exact treatment the South ought to have got: The same as we'd give another country because if they have the right to secede and they want to be another country then they are another %$#&ing country.

Do I think it was right? Well no. But again there are other courses of action besides either ignoring the matter and forcing the South back into the Union. If they really believed in their cause they could have refused to buy all slave-made products.

But that was the real reason for the war: The South was making it all and poor, and the North was consuming it all and rich.
  

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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Then the just course of action is to beat the South into submission, free the slaves, and then ask them if they still want to secede.

Good God you're dumb.
  
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Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Had some states wanted to leave the union for reasons other than preserving human slavery, perhaps that could have been considered, but that was never the question.

The question was do state governments have the power to enforce human slavery within their states?

You could perhaps answer, but you won't.


From the guy who from the beginning of the discussion has dodged the OP ...
  

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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Then the just course of action is to beat the South into submission, free the slaves, and then ask them if they still want to secede


Bam!  Had Jeff and the others asked my view instead of telling me what my view was, THIS IS IT!

I tell you all the times I think you're messed up.  It's only fair for me to tell you the time ... you ... nailed ... it ...

So here it is.  You nailed it.  I have no problem telling the southern States exactly this.  Slaves were in America, we have every right to tell the South you will not leave and take slaves with you
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 7:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Had some states wanted to leave the union for reasons other than preserving human slavery, perhaps that could have been considered, but that was never the question


I see, so why they wanted to leave is ... up to you.

This is the most un-libertarian post I have ever seen you write.  There isn't a whiff of libertarian here.  In this post, you're a pure Statist
  

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kaz wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
From the guy who from the beginning of the discussion has dodged the OP ...
You started this thread. What makes you think I'm dodging you, you lightweight?
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 7:57pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
I see, so why they wanted to leave is ... up to you.

What? You chickenshit fool.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 11th, 2017 at 8:15pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
You started this thread. What makes you think I'm dodging you, you lightweight?


Because you continually make up ridiculous shit I never said and you have never addressed the OP post.  Clear enough for you, grandpa?
  

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