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Reply #50 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
Americans still fighting their civil war.  It's quite remarkable that the racist hate for Obama could revive this kind of nonsense. The US was definitely not ready for a black president. The backlash will continue on for years in the US south.

Bedsheets and pointy hats that have been moldering in the closets in the south are back on the streets.

Jeff and Kaz will demonstrate for us how the hate has been revived! This nonsense was practically a dead topic before Obama. Now half of Americans are completely obsessed with the hating it's brought out.


Calm down, calm down, gay boy.  It's only an internet discussion.  Don't get so upset.

Jeff's arguing the civil war.  I did mention it, but my point was regarding today.  I just said that was when the fundamental concept of our form of government, consent of the governed, was removed.

My point was about today, that's why we now have tyranny of the majority where the majority freely trod on the rest of our rights.  They out vote us as if we were a democracy, and they use guns to force us to acquiesce to their will.  The definition of tyranny of the majority.  We have no recourse as we did originally because our consent to be governed is no longer required
  

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Reply #51 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:21pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Calm down, calm down, gay boy.  It's only an internet discussion.  Don't get so upset.


Don't you think it's sort of childish to call me a gay boy and to keep telling me to calm down? I do and I consider it as scoring points for me refraining from having to make up insults with no basis in reality. but by all means keep on doing it!

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Jeff's arguing the civil war.  I did mention it, but my point was regarding today.  I just said that was when the fundamental concept of our form of government, consent of the governed, was removed.


We'll hear a lot more from you on your civil war and your resentment of your black citizens. It's one of your ways of expressing your immaturity. Gay boy? Really?

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My point was about today, that's why we now have tyranny of the majority where the majority freely trod on the rest of our rights.  They out vote us as if we were a democracy, and they use guns to force us to acquiesce to their will.  The definition of tyranny of the majority.  We have no recourse as we did originally because our consent to be governed is no longer required


I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you who just sang the praises of your great country no more than 5 minutes ago. But I love when you spill your guts to me that way!
  
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Reply #52 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Don't you think it's sort of childish to call me a gay boy and to keep telling me to calm down? I do and I consider it as scoring points for me refraining from having to make up insults with no basis in reality. but by all means keep on doing it!


OMG it's so funny how stupid you are.

Donna_G:  You're angry, you're upset, you're ...

kaz:  You're angry, you're upset, you're ...

Donna_G:  What!?! Where did that come from!  Isn't that childish?

kaz:  Yes, that's my point, yet you insist on doing it ...

What a dumb ass.  The obvious is so elusive to you. 


Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
We'll hear a lot more from you on your civil war and your resentment of your black citizens. It's one of your ways of expressing your immaturity. Gay boy? Really?


From the Kanadian Klansman, thanks for that insight.  Blacks are coming to your neighborhood, Archie Bunker.  BOO!


Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you who just sang the praises of your great country no more than 5 minutes ago. But I love when you spill your guts to me that way!


I sang the praises for what we have done.  I'm saying that is ending because of the leftists who have overrun our country.

The contradiction in that is what?
  

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Reply #53 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 4:57pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 9:14am:
A rational person would correct my error in attributing a wrong meaning to their words...

You simply stand by your assertion that Lincoln was a tyrant because he (illegitimately) led the American people to force the slave state governments to remain in the union and stop enslaving people because those governments had supposedly not given their "consent"?

kaz, are we still classical liberal buddies, or what?

Must I lie and say I believe that "consent of the governed" somehow refers to the "governing powers" over the several states granted by our Constitution"?... What ever those powers might be beyond preventing state governments from tyrannizing people in their states...

Why are you ignoring me? Cry
  
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Reply #54 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
kaz, are we still classical liberal buddies, or what?

Must I lie and say I believe that "consent of the governed" somehow refers to the "governing powers" over the several states granted by our Constitution"?... What ever those powers might be beyond preventing state governments from tyrannizing people in their states...

Why are you ignoring me? Cry


Consent is granted when a politician is elected. Period!

Elect yourselves some libertarians and you will be able to live in a utopia where taxes aren't every asked for and never paid.

And it will last for about a week!
  
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
Consent is granted when a politician is elected. Period!
Is that the Canadian system?

Here in America, we created governments to serve us, not rule us, and the only consent we give to our elected representatives is our consent for them to do their jobs within the law.
  
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Reply #56 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:56am
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
Elect yourselves some libertarians and you will be able to live in a utopia where taxes aren't every asked for and never paid.
If you think all libertarians are lunatic fringe anarchists, I can see you you would believe that, but in fact most of the people who are forced to call themselves 'libertarians' are in fact (classical) liberals, like the ones who created our form of government and if elected, would return to actually using it.
  
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Reply #57 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 11:55am
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Don_G wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
Consent is granted when a politician is elected. Period!

Elect yourselves some libertarians and you will be able to live in a utopia where taxes aren't every asked for and never paid.

And it will last for about a week!


I'm not an anarchist, troll.  How stupid are you?
  

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Reply #58 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
kaz, are we still classical liberal buddies, or what?

Must I lie and say I believe that "consent of the governed" somehow refers to the "governing powers" over the several states granted by our Constitution"?... What ever those powers might be beyond preventing state governments from tyrannizing people in their states...

Why are you ignoring me? Cry


1)  I'm sick of your obsession with slavery which, hello, everyone is against.  It's not an insight Jeff.  Screaming you're anti-slavery is a waste of everyone's time.  We all are.  Even Don (at least that kind of slavery)

2)  I'm sick of your lies that I support slavery. I am talking about today.  I said removal of the consent of the governed is why liberals are able to oppress us today with no consequence.  A point you ignore to reiterate your vehement, completely non-controversial opposition to slavery

3)  I'm sick of your not reading posts and I have to keep saying, that's not what I said ...

4)  I'm sick of you blasting me for things I didn't say.  You say here that I'm a classic liberal and you know that.  Yet in post after post you assign me everything from being in the KKK to being a communist because you didn't read the discussion or you misunderstood it.  If you know I'm a classic liberal as you say you do, then when before you hit "save" accusing me of being a socialist, maybe it should dawn on you that you didn't read what you're responding to ...

I spend most of my time with you arguing what I didn't say, not what I did.  It's just tired, Jeff
  

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Reply #59 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 5:38pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
1)  I'm sick of your obsession with slavery which, hello, everyone is against.  It's not an insight Jeff. 
Your implication was that the U.S. government was not legitimate because it wouldn't allow slave states to continue enslaving people. You can dress that up in fancy clothes but it's not a legitimate question on the topic you claim it is, consent of the governed.

That is the issue I want to speak with you about.

How can you say the the national government, as constituted, "governs" the several state governments?

How can you ignore that the actual "governed without consent" people were the slaves?

If you want to talk about the legitimacy of our several governments, fine, lets talk. I understand the federal system pretty well.
  
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