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Don_G
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Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:17pm
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https://www.rt.com/usa/392299-us-senate-russia-sanctions/

And the reason is that the days of US sanctions working on their victim countries are over.

Russians have bit the bullet and decided that they need to diversify away from the West. There is no longer any reason not to!

Ask a Russian. I have relatives who visited Russia and did just that. They don't hate Americans they say, but they know what they have to do.

The world is quickly becoming bi-polar and *MAD is going to ensure that it's going to be that way for a long time to come.

There are indications now that the US is aware of that fact but the facade is being courageously parroted by it's politicians.

So what do you libertarians think of that? Can you rise above your patriotic bullshit and flagwaving and get behind Russia and it's morally right position?

*mutually assured destruction
  
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Re: Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Reply #1 - Jun 14th, 2017 at 9:10pm
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I think the reason for the Crapo Amendment is to make it difficult for Trump to improve relations with Russia. Democrats are furious that Hillary suffered such a humiliating loss last November, and that Russia is responsible.

There is substantial evidence that Russia hacked the DNC - nobody disputes that.  But that DNC hack didn't impact the election. Hillary would have lost anyway.

So all this Crapo Amendment sanctions is just a ploy to create more roadblocks for Trump in imroving relations with Russia. 

As Rand Paul and Mike Lee were the only 2 Senators who opposed the amendment,  the Crapo Amendment was passed by a landslide (97 - 2).

Things will start to become very difficult for Trump.  THEY. WILL. NOT. STOP. NOT. EVER.
  
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Re: Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 7:40am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 9:10pm:
I think the reason for the Crapo Amendment is to make it difficult for Trump to improve relations with Russia. Democrats are furious that Hillary suffered such a humiliating loss last November, and that Russia is responsible.

There is substantial evidence that Russia hacked the DNC - nobody disputes that.  But that DNC hack didn't impact the election. Hillary would have lost anyway.

So all this Crapo Amendment sanctions is just a ploy to create more roadblocks for Trump in imroving relations with Russia. 

As Rand Paul and Mike Lee were the only 2 Senators who opposed the amendment,  the Crapo Amendment was passed by a landslide (97 - 2).

Things will start to become very difficult for Trump.  THEY. WILL. NOT. STOP. NOT. EVER.
Good reply Chief.

Could Don_G be so confused as to not realize this is a libertarian forum?

(Sure, libertarians didn't want The Donald as President, but they wanted Hillary even less and they don't really like the TwoParties at all... maybe he'll figure it out, but I doubt it.)
  
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Re: Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Reply #3 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 10:49am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 7:40am:
Could Don_G be so confused as to not realize this is a libertarian forum?

(Sure, libertarians didn't want The Donald as President, but they wanted Hillary even less and they don't really like the TwoParties at all... maybe he'll figure it out, but I doubt it.)

I think Don_G is on a mission to convince Libertarians that we must somehow put a stop to all the madness going on in the world.  He realizes this is the last bastion of hope in a world being destroyed by Religious fanaticism and Political extremism.  From his POV,  Libertarians seem extremist in some regards (2A Rights, limits on government power, entitlement limits), but we are measured and moderate in the ones that really matter.

Trump is facing more opposition and resistance than any president in US history. Half of the country wants Trump's head on a pike. And the other half is trying to convince themselves that they shouldn't!

The Crapo Amendment was another wrench to throw in the Trump machinery. Designed by Republicans.  I'll wager McCain had a hand in it - he loathes Trump.  Maybe this is the stirrings of Republican mutiny that Don_G was talking about.
  
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Re: Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Reply #4 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 11:06am
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I think Don_G dreams of strawmen arguments, and then posts them here to see if people will give him the time of day.

Stop feeding obvious trolls.
  
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Re: Sanctions Against Russia are Good for Russia
Reply #5 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 11:55am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 9:10pm:
I think the reason for the Crapo Amendment is to make it difficult for Trump to improve relations with Russia. Democrats are furious that Hillary suffered such a humiliating loss last November, and that Russia is responsible.


You're not seeing the situation clearly. Trum doesn't want to improve relations with Russia. He was forced into taking that position by the Dems and they're still actively at it. It's a sure winning position with the people because the propagandists have made Russia the enemy. And the really big problem for Trump is that the R's see Russia the same way. Trump has desperately tried to get out of the image of him being friendly with Russia but the Dems aren't going to let him.

[wuoyr]There is substantial evidence that Russia hacked the DNC - nobody disputes that.  But that DNC hack didn't impact the election. Hillary would have lost anyway. [/quote]

The evidence has been fabricated because there was nothing malicious about it. There never was. You're a victim of the propaganda again. But if the R's choose to, they will make something malicious out of a telephone call from Putin congratulating Trump. They might turn on Trump. Or, the Dems may get enough support from the people to do the job themselves. The people hate Russia. You know, propaganda again....

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So all this Crapo Amendment sanctions is just a ploy to create more roadblocks for Trump in imroving relations with Russia. 


Right in the sense of trying to destroy Trump. But wrong about Trump trying to improve relations with Russia. That's the illusion that's been created to destroy Trump.

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Things will start to become very difficult for Trump.  THEY. WILL. NOT. STOP. NOT. EVER.


Right, the Dems won't stop. But it doesn't matter as long as the R's stay with Trump. It could get too damaging for the R party to stay with him.
  
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