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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:49pm
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ahhell wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
That's the benefit of federalism.  We shall see what can possible go wrong in Hawaii and maybe a few other states. 

So, there is a real possibility that automation will essentially end work.  If we can have robot trucks and cars what can't be have robots doing?  If that comes to pass, what will libertarians propose as an alternative to having a bunch of starving people with nothing but time on their hands?





Well said but I don't think you are going to get anybody attempting to carry on a rational discussion on this board. I'll try.

libertarians likely have no answers because what they refer to as the welfare state is likely the only answer. But let's see what they're made of and if they can come up with something.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:55pm
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ahhell wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
That's the benefit of federalism.  We shall see what can possible go wrong in Hawaii and maybe a few other states. 

So, there is a real possibility that automation will essentially end work.  If we can have robot trucks and cars what can't be have robots doing?  If that comes to pass, what will libertarians propose as an alternative to having a bunch of starving people with nothing but time on their hands?

That burden doesn't fall on libertarians.  It falls on the builders of the robots.  If everyone is unemployed because they were displaced by a robot, then nobody has any money to buy their robots.

The robot builders just painted themselves into a corner.

Anyways there's always the arts.  Any art;  sculpture, painting, music, writing, etc...Robots suck at it!!

Some robot drawings sold for millions of dollars.  Not because they were good (they were awful), but because they were the "first".

Robots are terrible when it comes to creativity.  Creativity simply cant be programmed.
  
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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:59pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
That burden doesn't fall on libertarians.  It falls on the builders of the robots.  If everyone is unemployed because they were displaced by a robot, then nobody has any money to buy their robots.

The robot builders just painted themselves into a corner.

Anyways there's always the arts.  Any art;  sculpture, painting, music, writing, etc...Robots suck at it!!

Some robot drawings sold for millions of dollars.  Not because they were good (they were awful), but because they were the "first".

Robots are terrible when it comes to creativity.  Creativity simply cant be programmed.


You're totally lost and without any real direction. You're promoting the arts and that's just promotion of the nanny state.

I've far overestimated your ability to promote anything rational. I won't be taking you seriously anymore, I'll just continue to make my point on the various topic being brought up on this board.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:06pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
You're totally lost and without any real direction. You're promoting the arts and that's just promotion of the nanny state.

LOL.
  
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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:06pm:


You don't understand that do you. The nanny state, as you libertarians put it, invent work. There's a lead for you so you can show what you're made of.

Nothing!
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:19pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
You don't understand that do you. The nanny state, as you libertarians put it, invent work. There's a lead for you so you can show what you're made of.

Nothing!

That's not even close to what nanny state means. You are throwing around terms that you don't understand the meaning of.

Libertarians regard Nanny state as being overprotective and interfering with personal choice. Overly intrusive government which burdens the people with ridiculous regulations and restrictions. 

In California, all carbine rifles must be equipped with a special recessed clip-release button that requires a tool to operate!

This is the stupid shit that comes from a nanny state.
  
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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #16 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm
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UBI is less coercive than the current nanny state. Sure, you still have the State taking some folks money and giving it to others but with UBI, you don't have the nanny bureacrats telling anyone what do for or with the money.
  
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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #17 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
That's not even close to what nanny state means. You are throwing around terms that you don't understand the meaning of.

Libertarians regard Nanny state as being overprotective and interfering with personal choice. Overly intrusive government which burdens the people with ridiculous regulations and restrictions. 

In California, all carbine rifles must be equipped with a special recessed clip-release button that requires a tool to operate!

This is the stupid shit that comes from a nanny state.


Yes, I agree with your description of the 'nanny' state. But a part of it is in creating work. I can find you some references to that but I can't trust that you're willing to take part in a rational and decent conversation yet.

Do you want to try to help improve this forum? If so then you're going to get my cooperation on doing that. Even though it's almost irredeemable right now. Kaz is pretending to know something about anything? The Opposition is  off the wall. Jeff pending?

I don't see much hope with the current crop but I always keep coming back to you.

Can you just start to disagree with me in a respectful way and see if that gets you anywhere?
  
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Re: The First US State to Adopt Basic Income
Reply #18 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 5:47pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Do you want to try to help improve this forum? If so then you're going to get my cooperation on doing that.

I especially like this forum because there are no silly rules infringing on Free Speech. All Most of the other forums I vistit have a list of stupid rules governing the course of discussion and the decorum.   I find this forum refreshing in comparison. 


Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Even though [this forum is] almost irredeemable right now. Kaz is pretending to know something about anything? The Opposition is  off the wall. Jeff pending?

Irredeemable.  How many people do you suppose would agree with this term?  I'd wager none.  I challenge you to find another member of this forum to characterize it as irredeemable.

Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
I don't see much hope with the current crop but I always keep coming back to you.

Can you just start to disagree with me in a respectful way and see if that gets you anywhere?

The "current crop" has been here for years. You're the FNG here.  You've saddled yourself with the impossible task of convincing thousands of Libertarians that their ideas are dumb and can never work.  And you seem surprised when nobody agrees with you.  (well, Bobk71 agrees with you on some things)

And then you foist Marxist ideologies on us.  Of course people will push back.
  
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