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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:56pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
Again, to say you support something and you support the government doing it are entirely different things and you're equating them.


Yes, in some instances there is a difference.

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Government doing social reform is a non-starter, it isn't capable.

Would you agree to the CEOs of the top 10 Fortune companies deciding what social reform the government should do?  Why not?  Now apply that answer to politicians and why it's a non-starter will emerge ...


Well, a communist government or a fascist government would be interested in and capable of social reform. They would likely do it in a way that neither of us would approve of but nevertheless, they would do it. In both cases it would be bad reform and no progress would be accomplished.
  
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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:10pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:56pm:
Yes, in some instances there is a difference.


Well, a communist government or a fascist government would be interested in and capable of social reform. They would likely do it in a way that neither of us would approve of but nevertheless, they would do it. In both cases it would be bad reform and no progress would be accomplished.


It's not just socialist governments such as the communists and fascists you bring up.  It's any government run by people making decisions over the lives of other people.  The only people they care about is themselves.

You whiffed on the CEO part ...
  

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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:32pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:10pm:
It's not just socialist governments such as the communists and fascists you bring up.  It's any government run by people making decisions over the lives of other people.  The only people they care about is themselves.


Yeah maybe but that's got nothing to do with fascists or communists making social reforms. You're lost with nothing to say on that.

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You whiffed on the CEO part ...


I was just leaving it for you to tell us what the hell you meant.

You're lost  and in way over your head. I'm out of it with you.
  
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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:35pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
I was just leaving it for you to tell us what the hell you meant.

You're lost  and in way over your head. I'm out of it with you.


Yes, anyone not parroting your Gods, the American Democrat party is over their head.  Democrats have already thought things through, considered every perspective, and decided what we should think.  And like a good little Democrat, you think it.

As for CEOs, you didn't get what I meant when I asked if you'd support the top 10 CEOs deciding what our social reform government policy should be?  Seriously?  You didn't get it?

That's funny ...
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 4:44pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
As for CEOs, you didn't get what I meant when I asked if you'd support the top 10 CEOs deciding what our social reform government policy should be?  Seriously?  You didn't get it?

That's funny ...
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It's titled The Enemy Within and in it Hubbard gave me one possible answer- he called it "feudal capitalism". Tongue
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:55pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
An environmentalist is someone who elects Democrats through environmental issues while doing nothing for the environment

A feminist is someone who elects Democrats through gender issues while doing nothing for women

A black activist is someone who elects Democrats through racial issues while doing nothing for blacks

A left-libertarian is someone who elects Democrats through free speech issues while doing nothing for free speech


If people could see this, there would be hope.

But people are morons, so they can't.

We have, through a democratic system, worse tyranny than tyranny because we have people voting themselves MORE CANDEH and getting millions of cavities a dictator would never stand for because a dictator at least wants his country to be productive.
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 8:52am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
...because a dictator at least wants his country to be productive.

Are you talking about "feudal capitalism" or about Tsars and serfs?
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:11am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
If people could see this, there would be hope.

But people are morons, so they can't.

We have, through a democratic system, worse tyranny than tyranny because we have people voting themselves MORE CANDEH and getting millions of cavities a dictator would never stand for because a dictator at least wants his country to be productive.


Your criticisms of anything in the US are valid. The rest know that but can't handle being told in such a direct way.
  
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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #18 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm
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Don_G wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Your criticisms of anything in the US are valid. The rest know that but can't handle being told in such a direct way.


That's funny.  The guy who votes himself money agrees with Opposition criticizing Americans who vote themselves money ...

Jeff is on drugs and alcohol.  What's your excuse?
  

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Re: Libertarianism Supporting Social Reform
Reply #19 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:08pm
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kaz wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
That's funny.  The guy who votes himself money agrees with Opposition criticizing Americans who vote themselves money ...

Jeff is on drugs and alcohol.  What's your excuse?


I like your idea of me voting myself money. It's quite true in a sense but it needs to be explained.

I vote for the Liberal government and that party ensures there is at least some equity in wealth in our country. There are limits to how much disparity in incomes is allowed to exist. Taxation is the mechanism with which it can be maintained.

The Canadian people are relatively happy and Canada has benefited by good government. We don't ever want to be anything like the US where the people are so unhappy with their system that they are actually contemplating revolution.

Or at least, digging up their guns out of their potato patches and getting even with Obama!
  
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