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Reply #20 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:23pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
How does it lead to that you believe in the consent of the governed.  You keep saying you don't.  You said our great great ... grandparents consented.  You said we have a theoretical way to change the Constitution even though it's never implemented and the government ignores the Constitution.
Well, I said my understanding is that the State governments consented to be a part of the system of government created by the Constitution, which does in fact provide a process for amendments that has been used 27 times.

If you want to argue that no one has given consent to be governed by any of the State or Local governments, you can. I don't know where you might want to go with that... I'll just say that I agree with the classic liberals who felt that equal opportunity to elect proportional representatives and the opportunity to alter the government as the need arose was the best way to preserve and protect individual Rights and Liberty. Electing local Judges and preserving the common law helps too.

The national government mostly follows what the FDR and subsequent SCOTUS' have said the Constitution is. That's why I say the Constitution needs to be amended so as to return it to it's original purposes.


  
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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:40pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
Well, I said my understanding is that the State governments consented to be a part of the system of government created by the Constitution, which does in fact provide a process for amendments that has been used 27 times.

If you want to argue that no one has given consent to be governed by any of the State or Local governments, you can. I don't know where you might want to go with that... I'll just say that I agree with the classic liberals who felt that equal opportunity to elect proportional representatives and the opportunity to alter the government as the need arose was the best way to preserve and protect individual Rights and Liberty. Electing local Judges and preserving the common law helps too.

The national government mostly follows what the FDR and subsequent SCOTUS' have said the Constitution is. That's why I say the Constitution needs to be amended so as to return it to it's original purposes.




Why would the big blue States who are succeeding in slamming socialism down our throats through tyranny of the majority going to possibly agree to a solution that is going to stop them?
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 6:06pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Why would the big blue States who are succeeding in slamming socialism down our throats through tyranny of the majority going to possibly agree to a solution that is going to stop them?
When the People's House of Representatives takes control of the governments expenditures. The "big blue states" can shit or go blind if our House refuses to fund their agenda. That's exactly why we need to first break the TwoParty lock on the electoral process. So we can get people in the House who aren't radical destroy American by any means regressives, who will listen to all the American people who are saying, no, we can't afford to pay for that and it's a bad idea anyway.

Theoretically, our House of Representatives is now controlled by small government Republicans who believe in fiscal responsibility and who don' t like regressive plans and policies... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The reality is... Well you can see the reality any time that Congress is in session solving America's problems... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 8:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
When the People's House of Representatives takes control of the governments expenditures. The "big blue states" can shit or go blind if our House refuses to fund their agenda. That's exactly why we need to first break the TwoParty lock on the electoral process. So we can get people in the House who aren't radical destroy American by any means regressives, who will listen to all the American people who are saying, no, we can't afford to pay for that and it's a bad idea anyway.

Theoretically, our House of Representatives is now controlled by small government Republicans who believe in fiscal responsibility and who don' t like regressive plans and policies... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The reality is... Well you can see the reality any time that Congress is in session solving America's problems... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:54pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  Answer
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  Answer
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  Answer
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  I'm not answering it again
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  I'm not answering it again
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  I'm not answering it again
Jeff:  Answer my question
Kaz - whoever:  I'm not answering it again


He does this to me too. He thinks that because his post is last, it'll seem to whosoever is reading that you're dodging.

Whoever is reading knows his tricks.
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 7:21am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
He does this to me too. He thinks that because his post is last, it'll seem to whosoever is reading that you're dodging.

Whoever is reading knows his tricks.
I don't know, maybe I fool somebody every one in a while...

No matter, that's not my intent. I just like to point out things I think are true and argue about why I think that... Like the fact that the U.S. House of Representatives holds the key to spending (and taxing) and thus the key to stopping all sorts of things that libertarians don't like.

Edit: You have to admit lizard, there is plenty of dodging on this forum...
  
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Reply #26 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 7:21am:
I don't know, maybe I fool somebody every one in a while...

No matter, that's not my intent. I just like to point out things I think are true and argue about why I think that... Like the fact that the U.S. House of Representatives holds the key to spending (and taxing) and thus the key to stopping all sorts of things that libertarians don't like.

Edit: You have to admit lizard, there is plenty of dodging on this forum...


What I have to admit is that on the free marketplace of ideas, sophistry wins and honesty and reason lose.
  

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Re: We Are Winning! Speaking of Slavery...
Reply #27 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm
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...what really puzzles me is why the United States had African persons brought to the United States to do unpaid hard work when said African persons didn't want to come to the United States while Chinese persons did want to come to the United States to work? I'll remind you all of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. I think the Pinkertons had put up with or put down a Chinese-Americans' revolt in the 1800s.
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 2:40pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
...what really puzzles me is why the United States had African persons brought to the United States to do unpaid hard work when said African persons didn't want to come to the United States while Chinese persons did want to come to the United States to work? I'll remind you all of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.


Start with asking the same question about the British and other slaveholders before the US even was.

You could be onto something interesting if you have the intelligence to follow it through?

It's likely that it has something to do with the British holding Chinese people in higher regard than blacks. That obviously endures in the US south right to this day.
  
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Reply #29 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 4:02pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
...what really puzzles me is why the United States had African persons brought to the United States to do unpaid hard work when said African persons didn't want to come to the United States while Chinese persons did want to come to the United States to work? I'll remind you all of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. I think the Pinkertons had put up with or put down a Chinese-Americans' revolt in the 1800s.


Blacks were easier to acquire as the British kept going to Africa and acquiring blacks then bringing them here to sell
  

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