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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:16am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:41am:
How about It's a terrific, highly-informed rant, that totally demolishes the Trump-Russia narrative?
That's better.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:22am
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:16am:
That's better.


She's a progressive who's arguing that Democrats have to cut the stupid crap and focus on their objectives.  Of course their objectives are socialism, but that's another matter ...
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:23am
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:22am:
She's a progressive who's arguing that Democrats have to cut the stupid crap and focus on their objectives.  Of course their objectives are socialism, but that's another matter ...
That's better and probably good advice.  The Russia stuff seems to be useful for raising money but its definitely going to lose elections.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:32am
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:23am:
That's better and probably good advice.  The Russia stuff seems to be useful for raising money but its definitely going to lose elections.


It's the trap Democrats have put themselves into.  Money comes from the fanatics, but that hurts votes from anywhere but Illinois and the coasts.  But if you ignore the fanatics, you lose the money to compete.  The fanatics also pick other candidates and split the party.  Last time they came back reluctantly and supported Hillary, but she lost to ... Trump ...

My heart is bleeding for them ...  LOL
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:43pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:32am:
It's the trap Democrats have put themselves into.  Money comes from the fanatics, but that hurts votes from anywhere but Illinois and the coasts.  But if you ignore the fanatics, you lose the money to compete.  The fanatics also pick other candidates and split the party.  Last time they came back reluctantly and supported Hillary, but she lost to ... Trump ...

My heart is bleeding for them ...  LOL

I think the GOP is in a very similar trap.  They're dependent on the christian conservative vote but christian conservative are really off putting to a lot of folks do to their authoritarian tendencies.  And in all honesty, the republicans have the same problem with the racist vote.*

*the old fashioned racist vote, not the paternalist racists of the Dems.
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:32pm
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
I think the GOP is in a very similar trap.  They're dependent on the christian conservative vote but christian conservative are really off putting to a lot of folks do to their authoritarian tendencies.  And in all honesty, the republicans have the same problem with the racist vote.*

*the old fashioned racist vote, not the paternalist racists of the Dems. 


You lost me at "the republicans have the same problem with the racist vote."  Stop being an idiot and let me know when you want to be serious.  Also, turn off Fake News, they're melting your brain
  

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Reply #16 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:46pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
You lost me at "the republicans have the same problem with the racist vote."  Stop being an idiot and let me know when you want to be serious.  Also, turn off Fake News, they're melting your brain
Look, I'm not saying republicans are racists.  I'm saying they get the racist* vote, which is off putting to a lot of folks.  The southern strategy was a thing, it was an attempt by the GOP to get the votes of racists that had voted solidly democratic up to the late 60s.   The GOP succeeded but along with the evangelicals, it puts them in a bind.  The can't win without those voting blocks but those voting blocks are off putting to lots of other voters. 


*not the identity politics poverty pushing types that the dems get.  The dems get the paternalistic "minorities can't get ahead with my help" sort of racists are solidly dem. 
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:00pm
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Look, I'm not saying republicans are racists.  I'm saying they get the racist* vote, which is off putting to a lot of folks.  The southern strategy was a thing, it was an attempt by the GOP to get the votes of racists that had voted solidly democratic up to the late 60s.   The GOP succeeded but along with the evangelicals, it puts them in a bind.  The can't win without those voting blocks but those voting blocks are off putting to lots of other voters. 


*not the identity politics poverty pushing types that the dems get.  The dems get the paternalistic "minorities can't get ahead with my help" sort of racists are solidly dem. 


I am a Northerner who lives in the South and have for a long time.  I love it here.  The fake news media is turning your brain to mush.  Turn off your bigotry.  The race whoring is just tired at this point


  

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Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:42pm
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I never said all southerners were racist either.  But in the late 60s and early 70s, lots of them were, along with lots of northerners.  Passage of the civil rights act split the democratic party and the GOP saw a chance to grab up some of the dixiecrats and lower class northern whites.   They took.  Things have changed since then.  There are a lot fewer balatantly racist americans now but those that are left of the old fashioned types are more likely to vote republican.   

I haven't said it explicitly but the dems appeal to race far more openly in a very paternalistic manner.   They offer to protect the poor minorities from whitey and god protect you if you're a minority that's openly a republican. 


Aside from that, would you agree with me on the evangelicals?  That they are also a trap the GOP has made for itself?
  
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Re: The Sane Progressive
Reply #19 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:22am:
She's a progressive who's arguing that Democrats have to cut the stupid crap and focus on their objectives.  Of course their objectives are socialism, but that's another matter ...
Thanks. I knew it wouldn't be worth watching.
  
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